Will Jason Campbell return?

[DBUCHANON101]

its the league we play in.. its all on the QB

the pats D slowed the greatest show on turf. Adam V kicked the winning fg and all the cred goes to Brady.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

its the league we play in.. its all on the QB

the pats D slowed the greatest show on turf. Adam V kicked the winning fg and all the cred goes to Brady.

That's the problem with typical fans, they place all the blame on the QB. That ain't how football works. True, a Brady/Manning type can take over a game, but he still needs protection and receivers who can make plays. Manning struggled early last year when his OL struggled, Brady struggled in the SB against the Giants becuase his OL was getting handled.

Campbell struggled in the 2nd half last year because of poor OL play and some very good D's we faced, not becuase he just magically started to suck. He's gotten better every year and his QB rating shows that.

I can't wait until mid-season to call you guys out, of course just like early last season all the JC haters came out after the Giants game and then disappeared until he struggled later in the season.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

That's the problem with typical fans, they place all the blame on the QB. That ain't how football works. True, a Brady/Manning type can take over a game, but he still needs protection and receivers who can make plays. Manning struggled early last year when his OL struggled, Brady struggled in the SB against the Giants becuase his OL was getting handled.

Campbell struggled in the 2nd half last year because of poor OL play and some very good D's we faced, not becuase he just magically started to suck. He's gotten better every year and his QB rating shows that.

I can't wait until mid-season to call you guys out, of course just like early last season all the JC haters came out after the Giants game and then disappeared until he struggled later in the season.

Ain't that the truth. Kinda like Cowgirl fans who talk a lot of crap before the season, and then once we kick their ass, they disappear.

[Monksdown]

Don't misunderstand our angle. I think we all want him to do well. We just don't feel based on the numbers we have on him, and on our limited ability to analyze his skills, that he's going to take a huge step forward this year.

That is honestly how i feel. And i can back it up with 36 starts, just over 2 years of hard numbers. Granted, i probably put too much stock in cold hard touchdowns.

The argument that he's finally able to be in the same system 2 years in a row does hold some water. But i can't quantify that potential success with any hard numbers. You could bring up the 'Matt Hasselback developed at this pace argument'. But that argument sucks too, there are too many variables for an apple to apple comparison.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Don't misunderstand our angle. I think we all want him to do well. We just don't feel based on the numbers we have on him, and on our limited ability to analyze his skills, that he's going to take a huge step forward this year.

What if I told you that he already took that huge step forward last year (in my opinion), sometime between weeks 2-5, or possibly weeks 11-13, but that it was masked by the fact that every one else on offense was so terrible.

Then, as my logic follows, if the offense around Campbell is just a little less horriffic, he should pick up right where he left off, at a pro bowl level.

Here's a tip, if you have to point to a single (one) season as evidence that a player can't get it done, you're likely seeing too many other variables to know. You see his improvements as "super-slow", in the data, but the rest of us just see them as "there," and need more information to see if a breakout is coming/has already come.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What if I told you that he already took that huge step forward last year (in my opinion), sometime between weeks 2-5, or possibly weeks 11-13, but that it was masked by the fact that every one else on offense was so terrible.

Then, as my logic follows, if the offense around Campbell is just a little less horriffic, he should pick up right where he left off, at a pro bowl level.

Here's a tip, if you have to point to a single (one) season as evidence that a player can't get it done, you're likely seeing too many other variables to know. You see his improvements as "super-slow", in the data, but the rest of us just see them as "there," and need more information to see if a breakout is coming/has already come.

My analysis earlier was based on 36 games started.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

My analysis earlier was based on 36 games started.

But then you aren't seeing an upwards trend, or any trend at all. That would just be a weighted average of a QBs developmental portion of his career.

I hear people using the term make-or-break around Campbell this year. To an extent, I agree. Right now, he still carries the "young prospect" label, as the first four years of anyones career tend to be the developmental stage. But he's 27. So at the end of this year, he's going to turn 28, and he'll either have "franchise Quarterback", or "journeyman".

The statistics suggest that he'll be a franchise QB. But that's probability, not certainty. The question if he doesn't fulfill his promise this year is not whether we keep him or not, that's pretty irrelevant. It's why he was unable to live up to promise, i.e. what do we need to do to make sure the next surefire prospect does not fail. It could be a team thing, or it could be structural-organizational.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

its the league we play in.. its all on the QB

the pats D slowed the greatest show on turf. Adam V kicked the winning fg and all the cred goes to Brady.

Do you consider Snyder a good businessman? Why would a good businessman go out and spend 100 million dollars, 41 million guarenteed, on a player who doesn't matter because he's not a Quarterback. Seems like the gaffe of the century and you should be outraged!