Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by elamin24

Great post orakpo!

Thanks dude.

[bigant]

my rankongs:
0FF;
QB- 1)giants 2) eagles 3)cowboys 4)skins

RB- 1)skins 2) cowboys 3)giants 4)eagles

WR- 1) eagles 2) cowboys 3)skins 4)giants

OL- 1)giants 2)eagles 3) cowboys 4)skins

DEF

DL- 1) giants 2)cowboys 3)skins 4)eagles

LB- 1) giants 2)eagles 3)cowboys 4) skins

DB- 1)skins 2)eagles 3) giants 4) cowboys

overall-- 1)giants 2) eagles 3)cowboys 4)skins

[CRedskinsRule]

Giantone, a couple questions:
What puts Phillips above Zorn in coaching? Are you giving preference to experience? I would rank WP at the bottom of the HC's even with Zorn's inexperience. WP has a long track record as a coach, unable to win when the games "counted". Zorn's play
calling and coaching both were decent last year, and should improve. I agree with Reid and Coughlin being better than both.

Also you rank Dallas too low :vomit: on place kicking/special teams. They have solid Kickers, and Felix Jones if healthy will be a weapon on STs.

The Giants lost Ward and Plaxico, those are two heavy blows in critical positions. I think they would be either last or tied for last in the running back position despite last years success.

Finally, how can the Giants TE position be above the Skins? Not sure I get that one at all.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Giantone, a couple questions:
What puts Phillips above Zorn in coaching? Are you giving preference to experience? I would rank WP at the bottom of the HC's even with Zorn's inexperience. WP has a long track record as a coach, unable to win when the games "counted". Zorn's play
calling and coaching both were decent last year, and should improve. I agree with Reid and Coughlin being better than both.

Also you rank Dallas too low :vomit: on place kicking/special teams. They have solid Kickers, and Felix Jones if healthy will be a weapon on STs.

The Giants lost Ward and Plaxico, those are two heavy blows in critical positions. I think they would be either last or tied for last in the running back position despite last years success.

Finally, how can the Giants TE position be above the Skins? Not sure I get that one at all.

I like Zorn , give him some time and he'll be very,very good.Phillips has had some more sucsess.
As for Dallas kickers ...they lost their punter in the Cardinal game and the PK had some chips he missed.
Your'e right about the Giants missing those two ,but as I said I can't predict the future so I base my opinions (only opinions) on last year.
I LOVE Cooley(his Heart),yet he had more fumbles and I don't think he blocks as well as Boss.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I like Zorn , give him some time and he'll be very,very good.Phillips has had some more sucsess.
As for Dallas kickers ...they lost their punter in the Cardinal game and the PK had some chips he missed.
Your'e right about the Giants missing those two ,but as I said I can't predict the future so I base my opinions (only opinions) on last year.
I LOVE Cooley(his Heart),yet he had more fumbles and I don't think he blocks as well as Boss.

I think Wade's success is limited to regular season, and usually with teams built by others. But I can accept Zorn has not proven much more either, and we can't know if he learned from last year.

I know you can't predict the future, but the rankings should reflect actual losses. Just like the Skins DBs lost Springs, and will be lessened in pure coverage skills, I think the Giants loss of Ward will lessen their running attack. He was an important part of your 3 prong attack.

Cooley may have had more fumbles last year, but it was only because we rely so heavily on him in critical situations that it was so noticeable (my opinion). Don't know enough about Boss' blocking, but I would certainly take our group of TE's over any other group in the East.

[BleedBurgundy]

Summer is the time for dreams, i suppose. I'm going in with ZERO expectations this year, just like last year.

[Paintrain]

QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

I really think you nailed it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really think you nailed it.

I agree...mainly because I don't feel like typing so much

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

I couldn't add much to this. I think how much of a contribution Haynesworth, Orakpo, and Fred Davis make could change the rankings and if Betts was actually used, maybe he could too, but I'm agreeable with this. Campbell could also make a move up with a great year. I would also put Zorn ahead of Phillips as Paintrain has. Wade has proved he's not much of a HC, Zorn hasn't.

[ChickenMonkey]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.

This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That

First off Maclin wasn't a need,but in fact(BPA)and he will get some time at wide-out and be a more than likely be an outstanding return man.

DeSean has got the skills to be the best WR in the division this year and Moss ain't no spring chicken anymore.(9th season)

Moss in his 8 years has only exceeded Jacksons(rookie)production in 3 of his 8 seasons(stat wise).

Is there anyone on the Redskins roster(WRs)that you'd take over DeSean right now?

If so then......forget it.

[pick-ups]

I will say that Moss is the best WR in the division as of right now.

Kelley and Thomas are the unknowns as of now for the Skins unlike DeSean for the Eagles.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

First off Maclin wasn't a need,but in fact(BPA)and he will get some time at wide-out and be a more than likely be an outstanding return man.

DeSean has got the skills to be the best WR in the division this year and Moss ain't no spring chicken anymore.(9th season)

Moss in his 8 years has only exceeded Jacksons(rookie)production in 3 of his 8 seasons(stat wise).

Is there anyone on the Redskins roster(WRs)that you'd take over DeSean right now?

If so then......forget it.

You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.

Thats crazy you said that as I too like Avant more so than Curtis and Baskett.

Maclin is the wild card and he definitely has the skills to be a productive player,but I don't think he can do what DeSean did as a rookie WR.

The Redskins WRs will rise as Campbell does and I think he's finally got a fire lit under him with all this bullshit trade talks in the off season.

We'll see?