Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.

Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.

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Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.

Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.

Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do.

All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Like I said, I think McNabb is better but don't act like Eli is chopped liver. He's a streaky passer, just like McNabb is.

When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.

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Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.

I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

Maybe in some games he has been streaky. To a certain extent all QBs go through certain moments. I just think there is a difference between Elis "streaky" and McNabbs "streaky".

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Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.

Lets not forget that Eli has been one and done in 3 of his 4 attempts in the playoffs(twice at the hands of the Eagles).
The year before and after their SB run.
`05 vs Panthers 0-24
`06 vs Eagles 17-20
`08 vs Eagles 11-23

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

I think it's a bad thing if you are trying to point out the eliteness of his quarterbacking, but McNabb is a valuable player despite his streakiness.

As is Campbell, just to throw his name in there somehow.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do.

All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.

I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.