The Vick Factor

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Thats like saying why would millionaires take drugs, drive fast, beat their wives. Money rarely changes a persons bad habits, normally lets them fulfill more their bad traits and habits.

I certainly dont see him as a great quarterback, but the point was made earlier in thread he is still better than some of the starting qbs playing now. Certainly Atlanta grossly overpaid on last contract, so while hes not the 130 dollar man he is still a good qb. Just dont see him fitting in here.

I don't know why anyone would beat their wife. I guess it's a sickness (coward maybe?) just like hurting animals. If Vick gets the same rush from hurting animals as some people get from drugs or driving fast...he's really got a problem.

[GTripp0012]

But in all honesty, isn't the league better off without Vick, the player? Here's a guy who presided over a declining offense as Falcons QB for 5 years, culminating in an embarassing 2006 season, and because the Falcons gave him the BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY, it looked like we would be stuck with him.

Then, he did something on his own to lose that opportunity, and PEOPLE WANT HIM BACK. This is maddening. We got lucky when he got himself suspended, so when he inevitably comes back, I really hope he doesn't get treated like a superstar.

[Missin21]

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Missin21

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

WHAT? That makes no sense. What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony. To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHAT? That makes no sense. What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony. To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Missin21

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.

It's cool. No big deal. I understand how people feel about the subject, I really do. And I'm not opposed to putting someone like Mike Vick in prison for what he did. It seems to me though that our society gets more upset when they hear about a dog abuser, but barely raise an eyebrow at someone who hurts his family. I mean, unless it's like Chris Benoit or the guy who throws his 3 month old from a moving car. It's not until it is extreme that everyone goes, "OMG! That's terrible." That's really more my point then anything. I guess in that case, Vick falls into that category seeing extent of the nature of his crime.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Missin21

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

Back up cowboy. In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Back up cowboy.* In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.

* - ? Cowboy? Why would you start the conversation by insulting me like that. You coulda called me Chief, Crazy Injun, Mook...but, Cowboy?

Ok, in all seriousness, I never said anything about where it took place. I don't think it really matters to me what state the offense takes place. It could be in a different country for all I care. I think my point is more about the abuse of people vs the abuse of animals & how we seemingly regard a dogs life over a persons. That's all. Virginia never even tip-toed across my mind.

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by Missin21

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

Out of everything being said, on this matter, this is the most brilliant thing said on this matter period......

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Do you think the skins should take a chance on Vick he has been released officially.

I for one would do it. I would sign him at a low cost and sit him on the bench behind Jason. Great insurance policy if Campbell decides not to stay with us we have a probowl caliber player and he would bring so much to the offense.

Absolutely, positively NO!
We have an aging offensive line, do you think they would be able to handle Vick's running? (assuming he still can) If he can't run like he could (which is a good bet he can't) then he's useless cause his throwing ability was one of the worst in the league when he left, and it's 2 years later.

MUCH rather have Brennan and Collins!

[wilsowilso]

If the players want to bring a dog to practice for the day we could hire Vick to walk the dogs around Redskin Park so they could get some quality exercise.

Hell no!

[47FAN]

punt returner? (may have been mentioned didnt have time to read all the posts)

[DBUCHANON101]

Mike Vick isnt better than what we got so why bring the distraction to our team?

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Mike Vick isnt better than what we got so why bring the distraction to our team?

I disagree. He'd be an upgrade as a backup QB and even in the backfield as an RB. He might even work well at WR, working some Wildcat-like plays or what Randle El has done from time to time.

He'd only be a distraction for a few weeks, and if any team could handle the media attention, it's the Skins. We're kind of used to being a media circus as it is.