The Vick Factor

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Do you think the skins should take a chance on Vick he has been released officially.

I for one would do it. I would sign him at a low cost and sit him on the bench behind Jason. Great insurance policy if Campbell decides not to stay with us we have a probowl caliber player and he would bring so much to the offense.

The Pro Bowl is over-rated. And so is Mike Vick.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

The Pro Bowl is over-rated. And so is Mike Vick.

Agreed! Rule No.#1. Never pick him in FFB!


But mheisig had this to say a while ago over in this thread: http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...hs-prison.html

"23 months actually doesn't sound that bad.

I have a feeling he'll be back at some point."


I think the months in prison will affect MV's game, although Riggo did not seem affected after his time away from the game years ago. But playing RB is different than playing QB.

[Trample the Elderly]

F no!

Vick would cause two problems which would lean me towards saying no way. First off it would cause a QB controversy here and would probably lead towards Campbell demanding a trade before the season starts. I also think Vick isnt a good QB. The same problems everyone has with Campbell will be the same problems everyone will have with Mike Vick.

[Dirtbag59]

As I read somewhere (I think the comments section of RI). Herpes infected felon with a 50% completion percentage and a two year layoff. Where do I sign up?

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't know why anyone would beat their wife. I guess it's a sickness (coward maybe?) just like hurting animals. If Vick gets the same rush from hurting animals as some people get from drugs or driving fast...he's really got a problem.

This usually happens when someone gets abused by an authority figure before puberty. As a result they learn to deal with conflicts and troubling emotions through the use of violence, and in a relationship situation where conflict is natural, they just snap. I'm by no means defending them but as long as parents beat their kids we'll have people growing up with the inability to handle their emotions. I'm willing to bet that guys like Jerome Mathis, James Harrison, and Chris Brown got beat by their parents a little to hard. This is not to say that everyone beat by their parents will turn into a wife beater but it definitely increases the risk. It should come as no surprise that the middle east most likely has the highest rate of child abuse in the world.

On the other hand I don't know how someone gets into the torturing and brutally killing animals. With hunting I know it's a cultural thing but with hunting it's one shot and they're down. It's not a personal form of killing. Hanging and electrocuting animals indicates rage of a more personal nature and as a result indicates very serious mental problems. Not trying to get into the whole deal about how it's ok for certain people to kill certain animals and not others especially when it comes to meat but the way Vick went about his business is a serious red flag.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

As I read somewhere (I think the comments section of RI). Herpes infected felon with a 50% completion percentage and a two year layoff. Where do I sign up?

.

That's quite the admission for you to make! haha

As long as he isn't raping members of our team oh well, I don't see him as a fit though; and I'd be willing to bet that a lot more people than MV in the NFL have the herp

[REDSKINS1980]

First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.

Welcome to the board...your post doesn't make sense

They must establish the quarterback position. I agree...but how do they expect to establish it by deciding to drop Campbell and invest in Vick when, as you state, he will be trying prove he deserves to be there and attract a future multi-million dollar contract. Isn't that basically what's going on with Campbell this year?

[REDSKINS1980]

I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.

I can see your point there, I just don't think that the way to establish the QB position is to dump Campbell for basically another project, especially such a project as Vick.

[REDSKINS1980]

I agree that is no way to do it, but the skins need to stop wishing for that hall of fame rookie quarterback to come in and lead the team to a superbowl. We must make a decision on our franchise quarterback and drive with it.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

I agree with you that this is probably Campbell's most important year. And he will have all the tools needed to be a successful quarterback. (line, receivers, and an elite running back). But to be honest with you, dont you think if he was going to get a contract. He would have gotten it by now. To show some kind of confidence in him as our franchise quarterback.

OFF TOPIC, but
I think our OL and Receivers are still weak spot going into this season.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

OFF TOPIC, but
I think our OL and Receivers are still weak spot going into this season.

As of right now I would have to agree with you only because there is still no proof the people we have will step up. We all are hoping they will, but I think they are making great strides to improve those situations. Thomas working out with JC and staying after practice to get extra time working on routes and timing I think again "hopefully" will solve the problem atleast giving us one more talented WR and if Kelly steps up then two. I think Davis is making strides to improve also. Then you have to look at all the WR's brought in since the draft. I'm pretty happy with the talent being brought in and what our two last yr are trying to accomplish.

Then there's the O-line. I think getting Dockery back will solidify the left side of the line. Our only concern should be from Center to right. I honestly think the team is planning to put Williams in at RT no matter how heavy he is. I think they have him working out with Buges to get his technique down and if he's fast enough in preseason then he's our fix for that position and Heyer and Jansen will be fighting to either be back ups or Guards. Then we picked up Bridges who already is a solid Guard and actually is pretty big size wise. With these additions I think the line will be a lot bigger and healthier and will be a lot harder to push around. I doubt they do it but could you see a defensive goal line of AH and Williams clogging the center part of the line.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

First and foremost, I think the redskins need to establish the quarterback position. I personnally would invest the time and money in Vick, because he will be on the field trying to prove he deserves to be there and plus to attract a future mult-million dollar contract. The redskins cannot wait till midseason to see if Campbell will produce. They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.

From a strictly football perspective, look at Campbell's QB rating and the progression over the last three years, then look at Vick's QB rating over his last 3 years playing.

P.S. Before there are any more "Snyder is an idiot" posts, please read the quoted post and be thankful Skins1980 isn't the owner.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS1980

They must decide now, will it be Campbell or Vick.

Gotta say, that made me lol.