republicans, is this helping, or hurting your party

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

maybe the most poetic post ever. while i do not agree with most of this past administrations policies, or the manner in which they carried them out, i do believe that they thought they were doing the right things. they just were flat out wrong, in alot of cases. but i do not wish bodily harm to anyone. but do not forget, that most of the far right is pro life. and with those lie a large amount that would sooner kill a doctor, or blow up an abortion clinic, to state their belief. so the hatred goes both ways

Oh come on with the shooting and blowing up clinics. Every side has a radical fring but to say the pro life movement is full of these people is just crazy. When was the last time that even happened?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Oh come on with the shooting and blowing up clinics. Every side has a radical fring but to say the pro life movement is full of these people is just crazy. When was the last time that even happened?

sadly here's your answer

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us...1ca&ei=5087%0A

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

sadly here's your answer

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us...1ca&ei=5087%0A

So sad...I guess that DHS report on domestic terrorism wasn't really far off.

[Trample the Elderly]

Why is it that the religous whack jobs are supposed to be on the right? Why do Conservatives continue to let the Left define them?

I can tell you what's hurting the Republican Party and that is its so-called leadership has no balls. George Bush was a punching bag for the Democrats in Congress when he was in office even though the Republicans had the majority. The GOP will not go to task with Soda-pop because they're affraid of being branded racist.

They let the left define them. How is it that Tim McVay was from the right when he was a Neo-National Socialist? The GOP thinks that the key to success is being just like the Democrats? Why drink near beer when they make PBR?

The sooner we get the Socialist / Progressives out of the Republican party the better. Good riddins Powell, Cheney, Bush, and McCain. Don't give me that crap about being war heros and he was the first this or that. Grant took Petersburg but as President he sucked!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

sadly here's your answer

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us...1ca&ei=5087%0A

So one person acts alone and it defines everyone that you guys deem conservatives. What he did was wrong but what that doctor did was disgusting in its self. This is what this doctor did for a living to an unborn baby after 26 weeks and some times even longer.

• In this procedure, the physician pulls the fetus feet-first out of the uterus into the birth canal, except for the head which is kept lodged just inside the uterus.
• The base of the fetus’s skull is punctured with a sharp instrument such as a long scissors or pointed metal tube.
• A catheter is inserted into the wound and removes the fetus’s brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, and allows for the expulsion of the fetus.

Sorry that is sick but this person should not have taken the law into his own hands.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So one person acts alone and it defines everyone that you guys deem conservatives. What he did was wrong but what that doctor did was disgusting in its self. This is what this doctor did for a living to an unborn baby after 26 weeks and some times even longer.

• In this procedure, the physician pulls the fetus feet-first out of the uterus into the birth canal, except for the head which is kept lodged just inside the uterus.
• The base of the fetus’s skull is punctured with a sharp instrument such as a long scissors or pointed metal tube.
• A catheter is inserted into the wound and removes the fetus’s brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, and allows for the expulsion of the fetus.

Sorry that is sick but this person should not have taken the law into his own hands.

No not really, I was just giving you an answer to your question.

As far as what the Dr. was doing, whether you agree with it or not he was not breaking the law.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No not really, I was just giving you an answer to your question.

As far as what the Dr. was doing, whether you agree with it or not he was not breaking the law.

Which is a horrendous shame.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Which is a horrendous shame.

When did you become a social engineer?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

When did you become a social engineer?

Never became one. I'm not talking about overturning Roe v. Wade here. However, the killing of babies in the manner firstdown mentioned (partial birth abortion) is abhorent and the practice should be stopped. Not sure how anyone without a horse in the abortion rights debate would disagree. If I remember correctly you're against this also.

I saw this mentioned earlier and agree 100%, the moron who murdered the "doctor" did far more damage to the pro-life movement that anything the pro-abortion folks could've done.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Which is a horrendous shame.

There are many on the pro choice side which thinks the same thing.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No not really, I was just giving you an answer to your question.

As far as what the Dr. was doing, whether you agree with it or not he was not breaking the law.

As a friend of mine put it yesterday, "late-term abortions are sketch." In some states, it's explicitly illegal, and in the absence of that, it's usually a gap in regulatory law. Most clinics will deny to perform the procedure in the final trimester, because there are legal implications even in the states where it's not downright illegal.

I'm probably considered pro-choice, but there isn't a whole lot of moral gray area here. This man was neither brave nor the martyr the media is trying to paint him as. He was a fool providing a thankless service in a part of the country which is highly intolerant of unethical behavior.

I'm glad the shooting has been denounced universally as an overreaction, especially because it occurred at a church, which is totally ridiculous to even consider for me, but I'd stop short of calling this a tragedy. A hate crime, yes. I hope they catch the individual who did this and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. A tragedy, no.