The Vick Factor

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHAT? That makes no sense. What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony. To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Missin21

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I 100% absolutely apologize if that is how I sounded. I assure you, that was not my intent...my point is, what vick did was habitual, what Romanowski did was not. I in no way will ever condone spousal abuse. To me, there is no weaker man than someone that beats on his wife. I have said this in other threads, but I understand I did not come across properly, I apologize. I hope this clears things up.

It's cool. No big deal. I understand how people feel about the subject, I really do. And I'm not opposed to putting someone like Mike Vick in prison for what he did. It seems to me though that our society gets more upset when they hear about a dog abuser, but barely raise an eyebrow at someone who hurts his family. I mean, unless it's like Chris Benoit or the guy who throws his 3 month old from a moving car. It's not until it is extreme that everyone goes, "OMG! That's terrible." That's really more my point then anything. I guess in that case, Vick falls into that category seeing extent of the nature of his crime.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Missin21

There really isn't a comparison, you are right about that. But it seems to me that you condone beating your wife, as long as it is in the heat of the moment? I can't torture a dog because...it's a felony...but I CAN put my wife in a hospital in the heat of the moment & that's ok, because it's not a felony? Not sure I'm getting the logic behind that. Like I said, priorities=backwards in this country. Less likely to protect each other & more likely fight each other for the rights of animals. Makes no sense.

Back up cowboy. In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Back up cowboy.* In Virginia, torturing a dog is not a Felony as you put it. Animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor. It only became a Felony as you put it cause the Feds were involved.

If the local police would have done their job and investigated the crime MV would have probably only gotten a misdemeanor for the cruelty part. I think the locals saw this case as being bigger then them and requested help from the feds which turned it into felony charges.

Beating your wife is only a misdemeanor. After a 3rd charge in 20 yrs does it becomes a felony. All charges don't have to come from one county or from Virginia either. If you move into VA and have had 2 prior domestic charges then catch a third guess what ....it becomes a felony.

* - ? Cowboy? Why would you start the conversation by insulting me like that. You coulda called me Chief, Crazy Injun, Mook...but, Cowboy?

Ok, in all seriousness, I never said anything about where it took place. I don't think it really matters to me what state the offense takes place. It could be in a different country for all I care. I think my point is more about the abuse of people vs the abuse of animals & how we seemingly regard a dogs life over a persons. That's all. Virginia never even tip-toed across my mind.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Missin21

* - ? Cowboy? Why would you start the conversation by insulting me like that. You coulda called me Chief, Crazy Injun, Mook...but, Cowboy?

Ok, in all seriousness, I never said anything about where it took place. I don't think it really matters to me what state the offense takes place. It could be in a different country for all I care. I think my point is more about the abuse of people vs the abuse of animals & how we seemingly regard a dogs life over a persons. That's all. Virginia never even tip-toed across my mind.

Sorry. lol. I didn't think when using the "Cowboy" term. I totally agree with you. I miss understood you. I guess. I think we are kinda saying the same thing about how some people value animals more then humans. Unfortunatly those people will also say that humans have a choice and can leave on the other hand animals can't.

My issue is the fact that people hold animals in such high regards as if it were their children and due to the fact that some can't have kids they buy animals to fill the gap and there in lies the problem. for some that is.

Everytime I hear someone complain about how much their vet bill was to save said animal I laugh. I guess people think I'm crazy when I say I'd rather pay the $50.00 sleep medicine vs. paying out the butt to save my pets life. I even point out that a hunting accident only costs 25 cents.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Sorry. lol. I didn't think when using the "Cowboy" term. I totally agree with you. I miss understood you. I guess. I think we are kinda saying the same thing about how some people value animals more then humans. Unfortunatly those people will also say that humans have a choice and can leave on the other hand animals can't.

My issue is the fact that people hold animals in such high regards as if it were their children and due to the fact that some can't have kids they buy animals to fill the gap and there in lies the problem. for some that is.

Everytime I hear someone complain about how much their vet bill was to save said animal I laugh. I guess people think I'm crazy when I say I'd rather pay the $50.00 sleep medicine vs. paying out the butt to save my pets life. I even point out that a hunting accident only costs 25 cents.

That's actually pretty funny.

As I have stated, I have pets. I simply don't put them above MY needs. I feed them & care for them as anyone should for their pets. But I also see them as just that. Pets. Not miniature children or semi-humans. They are animals.

Now, I can understand & do value the fact that they, especially dogs, love unconditionally & a person torturing said animals is betraying that love & trust & it is very sad & disturbing when someone like Vick does what he did. I think what he did was terrible.

But like I said, this country's priorities are backwards when people say, with little conviction, they have no sympathy for a battered wife who's scared to leave her situation & is more likely to jump in front of a bus for a dog. "String him up" for beating a dog, but let a woman say, "He hit me...again" & she gets a "Well, you deserve it. You won't leave." There's something really wrong with that mentality.