The Vick Factor

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

but the Falcons sucked with him at QB before his doggie trouble.

40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

It's like I've been saying. Once teams figured out he couldn't pass he became a lot less effective.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

His last season he was 204-388 for 2474 yds and a 20-13 TD-INT Ratio

He also rushed for 1039 yds and 2 TDs on only 123 carries.

He didnt suck. He was probably the main reason why they won 7 games with that half ass supporting cast around him.

Anyone who thinks Michael Vick sucked didnt watch him play. He wasnt a great passer but combined with his running ability he was a combo threat that won games.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

His last season he was 204-388 for 2474 yds and a 20-13 TD-INT Ratio

52.6 Comp % sucks, his TD-INT ratio is nothing to write home about.

Anyone who thinks Michael Vick sucked didnt watch him play. He wasnt a great passer but combined with his running ability he was a combo threat that won games.

I guess that's why ATL finished the 2006 season 2-7.

2006 Ranks - Points - 25th, Sacks Allowed - 7th, Sack % - 2nd, Yds per Pass Attempt - 28th. ATL had 18 fumbles in 2006, 9 were by Vick.

Anyone who knows football and watched Vick, knows he struggled once DCs figured out he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean standing on the shore. The guy never learned to read a defense, his HS coach used under 10 plays, Stinespring at VT isn't the best OC in D-I, when Vick got to the NFL he never progressed. Once teams figured out to just keep him in the pocket, he was garbage. He's definitely nothing more than damaged goods now. Let the AFL or someone else deal with this idiot.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

52.6 Comp % sucks, his TD-INT ratio is nothing to write home about.

I agree about the completion %. He isnt a good passer. When you factor in his TD-INT ratio with his 1000 yards on the ground he was a good overall player. All im saying is to blanket a statement that Vick sucks is misleading with the numbers he put up in his last year. If you honestly think Vick sucked in 2006 then I dont know what to say.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The guy never learned to read a defense, his HS coach used under 10 plays, Stinespring at VT isn't the best OC in D-I, when Vick got to the NFL he never progressed

True, that's why i think his best passing days are ahead of him if he goes to a team with a veteran QB coach and veteran OC/playcaller that run a proven system.

BTW, you forgot to mention that he also rushed for an NFL record 1,000 yards.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 30gut

True, that's why i think his best passing days are ahead of him if he goes to a team with a veteran QB coach and veteran OC/playcaller that run a proven system.

BTW, you forgot to mention that he also rushed for an NFL record 1,000 yards.

If he was progressing his last 3 years wouldn't have been WORSE than his first 3.

He needed to run because that broad side of the barn just couldn't get open.

[John Denny]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

Who says he has to be a full-time starter? Aside from breaking dogs backs over his knee, Vick was born to run the Wildcat offense. He doesn't have to throw the ball! It's essentially a running play. Imagine Vick, Portis, and Betts in the backfield with Moss running downfield and whoever else emerges in the starting lineup. Vick doesn't have to throw but he does have the arm strength to get the ball to the target.
The wildcat offense keeps defenses honest by running backs (qb included) in several directions (right, left and up the middle) which ultimately opens up running lanes.
I'm a dog owner and I think what Vick did was brutal but I want the skins to win so sign the guy to the league minimum (2yrs), let him get his feet under him and cut him loose.
Anybody remember Portis and Samuels defending Vick during the vick circus? They had no problem with dog-fighting and nobody's dick got hard.

[an23dy]

I want to see him go to the Raiders. Then they'll have the fastest players at every skill position. With McFadden, DHB, and Vick you could just stick all of em in the backfield and have em run in different directions and see who can catch em.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by John Denny

Who says he has to be a full-time starter? Aside from breaking dogs backs over his knee, Vick was born to run the Wildcat offense. He doesn't have to throw the ball! It's essentially a running play. Imagine Vick, Portis, and Betts in the backfield with Moss running downfield and whoever else emerges in the starting lineup. Vick doesn't have to throw but he does have the arm strength to get the ball to the target.
The wildcat offense keeps defenses honest by running backs (qb included) in several directions (right, left and up the middle) which ultimately opens up running lanes.
I'm a dog owner and I think what Vick did was brutal but I want the skins to win so sign the guy to the league minimum (2yrs), let him get his feet under him and cut him loose.
Anybody remember Portis and Samuels defending Vick during the vick circus? They had no problem with dog-fighting and nobody's dick got hard.

Wildcat = fad or situational trick play

If the Wildcat was more than that you'd see the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Giants, Saints, Cards, Cowboys, etc. running it. If you want a bunch of running backs going different directions, run the Wing-T or AF flexbone. If that type of offense would be successful in the NFL teams would run it. It isn't, teams don't.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Wildcat = fad or situational trick play

If the Wildcat was more than that you'd see the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Giants, Saints, Cards, Cowboys, etc. running it. If you want a bunch of running backs going different directions, run the Wing-T or AF flexbone. If that type of offense would be successful in the NFL teams would run it. It isn't, teams don't.

The NFL is a copy cat league and the wildcat was successful. The Dolphins had pretty good success as the only team running the wildcat last year so I look for more teams to use it this year.

Originally Posted by irish

The NFL is a copy cat league and the wildcat was successful. The Dolphins had pretty good success as the only team running the wildcat last year so I look for more teams to use it this year.

As the year went on the wildcat got shut down. Defenses will be even more ready for it this year.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

As the year went on the wildcat got shut down. Defenses will be even more ready for it this year.

You seem to be assuming that the wildcat will remain stagnant. I think the coaches will will change and evolve the wildcat in response to the defensive adjustments.