Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

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Originally Posted by Duffman003

I see armies not changing the way they fight as a sign of pride. But, everyone seems to be debating the moral issue of torture and do the ends justify the means.

That's exactly what I'm saying, and it's exactly how the Brits lost the Revolutionary War, they were either too proud to change or too slow to change. Surely you're not suggesting we remain proud and uphold high moral standards at the risk of losing a war?