SI Ranks Offensive Backfields

[SmootSmack]

How can they not be higher than the Jets when Sanchez hasn't even taken a single NFL snap? You say Campbell has shown nothing, well what has MS shown? And give me Campbell any day of the week over Shaun Hill or Sage Rosenfels.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How can they not be higher than the Jets when Sanchez hasn't even taken a single NFL snap? You say Campbell has shown nothing, well what has MS shown? And give me Campbell any day of the week over Shaun Hill or Sage Rosenfels.

Honestly I didnt even look at the complete list. The main reason why I didnt was the way our offense got shut down last year. The Skins had the 4th ranked defense in the NFL and had trouble winning games. No matter who is ranked ahead of Campbell/Portis its hard for me to say they should be higher on this list after the way the team played last year. When Campbell starts living up to his potenial as a QB then ill talk about moving Campbell up on any list.

As for Sanchez I could understand why they would rank the Jets higher. The combo of Jones and Washington was great last year. Sanchez hasnt played in the NFL yet but most people would take a guy who hasnt shown anything in the NFL yet over a player like Campbell who has shown he cant lead a NFL offense as of today.

Id easily take Rosenfels/Peterson over Campbell/Portis. As for Hill/Gore id say thats pretty even right now. Hill is the better QB but Portis is the better RB.

I do think Campbell will step up his play this year but until the offense shows a pulse its hard for me to say Campbell/Portis should be higher than another combo.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

SI's ranking are offensive....to anyone with half a clue about the NFL.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

SI's ranking are offensive....to anyone with half a clue about the NFL.

I do agree that looking at the list some teams should be moved around.

As for the Redskins anyone who ranks them higher needs to put in the tapes from last season. No sports source is going to put out rankings where the Redskins are ranked higher until they start showing something on the field. So until Campbell learns how to throw a football dont expect for the Redskins to be ranked any higher in any rankings than they are now.

Hopefully for Redskins fans sakes across this Country Campbell can step up his game so the Skins can win this year.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I do agree that looking at the list some teams should be moved around.

As for the Redskins anyone who ranks them higher needs to put in the tapes from last season. No sports source is going to put out rankings where the Redskins are ranked higher until they start showing something on the field. So until Campbell learns how to throw a football dont expect for the Redskins to be ranked any higher in any rankings than they are now.

Hopefully for Redskins fans sakes across this Country Campbell can step up his game so the Skins can win this year.

I can't wait for the season to start, and I pray our OL stays healthy and productive. Myself and several others can't wait to call out all the JC haters/doubters with a BIG, FAT, I told you so.

Considering the first half of 2008 (JC was mentioned as a Pro Bowler & CP led the NFL in rushing) along with the second half, please don't tell me you'd rather have the following in the backfield besides JC & CP:

Chad Pennington, Ronnie Brown
Flacco, McClain/McGahee
Schaub, Slaton
Rosenfels, Peterson
K. Collins, Chris Johnson
S. Hill, Gore
Tampa's mess
Orton, Moreno
Sanchez/Clemens, Jones/Washington

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I can't wait for the season to start, and I pray our OL stays healthy and productive. Myself and several others can't wait to call out all the JC haters/doubters with a BIG, FAT, I told you so.

Considering the first half of 2008 (JC was mentioned as a Pro Bowler & CP led the NFL in rushing) along with the second half, please don't tell me you'd rather have the following in the backfield besides JC & CP:

Chad Pennington, Ronnie Brown
Flacco, McClain/McGahee
Schaub, Slaton
Rosenfels, Peterson
K. Collins, Chris Johnson
S. Hill, Gore
Tampa's mess
Orton, Moreno
Sanchez/Clemens, Jones/Washington

Nice post Sammy. It's bad enough hearing this crap from SI, but to hear it from some of our own posters is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Nice post Sammy. It's bad enough hearing this crap from SI, but to hear it from some of our own posters is ridiculous.

What has Campbell done since hes been our QB that makes anyone think he should be rated higher than 26 with Portis? The 2nd half of the season the Redskins sucked. I will say part of that is the offensive line. Part of it also was Campbell and his terrible passing where he seemed to want to throw balls over WRs heads and get them decked, throw to the WRs feet, throw behind the WR, or throw to a WR behind the 1st down marker.

Im banking on Campbell playing better in the 2nd year of Zorns offense, and the fact that hes in a contract year. I just cant say SI screwed the Skins over in these rankings when as of today Campbell/Portis hasnt done anything to suggest they should be ranked higher based on what happened last season when we actually played good teams in the 2nd half.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I can't wait for the season to start, and I pray our OL stays healthy and productive. Myself and several others can't wait to call out all the JC haters/doubters with a BIG, FAT, I told you so.

If you go through my posts I actually think this is the year Campbell will step up and play better in a contract year.

All im saying is I can understand why Campbell/Portis had a low ranking when you look at what happened last year. I would take Campbell/Portis over alot of those players for this upcoming season. I can understand why SI had the Skins ranked so low in these rankings though.

[#56fanatic]

I was looking over the rankings, and I wouldn't put Jason and Clinton much higher. Look at all the QB's that are higher, then the RB's. break them down seperately. Most of the QB's are better, and the teams with so-so QB's or not so good QB's have legit RB's. (vikings)

Hey, you have to have a few good seasons to have any respect. Jason has yet to do anything remarkable, and CP, although a work horse, didn't have a great year last year. His YPC is way down, actually below league minimum I believe.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I was looking over the rankings, and I wouldn't put Jason and Clinton much higher. Look at all the QB's that are higher, then the RB's. break them down seperately. Most of the QB's are better, and the teams with so-so QB's or not so good QB's have legit RB's. (vikings)

Hey, you have to have a few good seasons to have any respect. Jason has yet to do anything remarkable, and CP, although a work horse, didn't have a great year last year. His YPC is way down, actually below league minimum I believe.

Again, For the first 8 games he was probowl bound. I think he ranked higher then all of them. I guess if people are looking at the whole season (which I guess ya have to) then statistically he's were he should be.

Also here's the statistics:
QB's;
9th-Cutler: threw for 4,526 yrds, 25td's, and 18inter. Rating 86.0
24th-Orton: threw for 2,972 yrds, 18td's, and 12inter. Rating 79.6
26th-Campbell: threw for 3,245 yrds, 18td's, and 6int. Rating 84.3

RB's;
Forte(Bears)-rushed for 1,238, avg-3.9yrds, 8tds.
Portis(Skins)-rushed for 1,487, avg-4.3yrds, 9tds.

then you have Denver who seemed to have RB by commitee;
Selvin Young-303yrds, 1td
Michael Pittman-320yrds, 4tds
Peyton Hillis-343yrds, 5tds
LaMont Jordan-363yrds, 4tds

One could say none of Denvers RB's got over 1,000yds like the other teams or you could say they are better back field wise simply cause they have 4 good RBs plus a plethora of others that had less then 100 yrds.

Speaking of backfield alone as I thought this thread was I would rank the Skins higher. If you are talking about the offense in general then we are probably ranked close but would move us above some of the teams ahead of us.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Again, For the first 8 games he was probowl bound. I think he ranked higher then all of them. I guess if people are looking at the whole season (which I guess ya have to) then statistically he's were he should be.

Also here's the statistics:
QB's;
9th-Cutler: threw for 4,526 yrds, 25td's, and 18inter. Rating 86.0
24th-Orton: threw for 2,972 yrds, 18td's, and 12inter. Rating 79.6
26th-Campbell: threw for 3,245 yrds, 18td's, and 6int. Rating 84.3

RB's;
Forte(Bears)-rushed for 1,238, avg-3.9yrds, 8tds.
Portis(Skins)-rushed for 1,487, avg-4.3yrds, 9tds.

then you have Denver who seemed to have RB by commitee;
Selvin Young-303yrds, 1td
Michael Pittman-320yrds, 4tds
Peyton Hillis-343yrds, 5tds
LaMont Jordan-363yrds, 4tds

One could say none of Denvers RB's got over 1,000yds like the other teams or you could say they are better back field wise simply cause they have 4 good RBs plus a plethora of others that had less then 100 yrds.

Speaking of backfield alone as I thought this thread was I would rank the Skins higher. If you are talking about the offense in general then we are probably ranked close but would move us above some of the teams ahead of us.

I come from a place where 84 is a higher number than 79, so you should probably help me figure out what stat you are using in your rankings.

I'm aware you aren't out to just disprove the notion that Campbell can ever have success here, but I'm just confused by the fact that you are citing "statistics" without actually telling us what statistic you are using to come up with the rankings.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I come from a place where 84 is a higher number than 79, so you should probably help me figure out what stat you are using in your rankings.

I'm aware you aren't out to just disprove the notion that Campbell can ever have success here, but I'm just confused by the fact that you are citing "statistics" without actually telling us what statistic you are using to come up with the rankings.

Simply pointing out that Campbell is no better nor no worse then the other two. The team tried for Cutler because of why? his interception ratio? LOL. just kidding. Yes he had more td's but he also had or interceptions and a few more yrds. but as an over all QB I'd rather have JC simply cause of his interception ratio. His rating was a nice 84.3, Cutler was only 2 percent more....right? so my point is for those who think Cutler is a lights out QB are only fooling themselves when you look at the fact JC had similar stats. All the Skins were doing by trying to pick up Cutler was make a lateral move. I mean it's not like we were trying for Bradey.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Simply pointing out that Campbell is no better nor no worse then the other two. The team tried for Cutler because of why? his interception ratio? LOL. just kidding. Yes he had more td's but he also had or interceptions and a few more yrds. but as an over all QB I'd rather have JC simply cause of his interception ratio. His rating was a nice 84.3, Cutler was only 2 percent more....right? so my point is for those who think Cutler is a lights out QB are only fooling themselves when you look at the fact JC had similar stats. All the Skins were doing by trying to pick up Cutler was make a lateral move. I mean it's not like we were trying for Bradey.

I think you are very balanced with your Campbell analysis; I just want to know what the rankings you cite are using to rank. The sentence, "Campbell is ranked 26th by statistics" is problematic.

I'm on your side in Campbell and Cutler analysis, the difference is more marketing than actual play on the field. You simply wouldn't give up one to get the other, if there weren't external factors. But most measures don't see Orton as anywhere near the level of Cutler or Campbell, but he's ranked 24th in something, so I was just trying to figure out what.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

RB's;
Forte(Bears)-rushed for 1,238, avg-3.9yrds, 8tds.
Portis(Skins)-rushed for 1,487, avg-4.3yrds, 9tds.

I like Portis but man id love to have Forte. He ran great at Tulane and was a beast at the Senior Bowl. When he was drafted by the Bears in the 2nd round last year I thought they got the steal of the draft. He looked really good as a rookie for Chicago. He can knock people over and still has the speed to make long runs. He also caught 63 passes last year. With a year under his belt and Jay Cutler in Chicago hes going to be that much better in 2009.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I like Portis but man id love to have Forte. He ran great at Tulane and was a beast at the Senior Bowl. When he was drafted by the Bears in the 2nd round last year I thought they got the steal of the draft. He looked really good as a rookie for Chicago. He can knock people over and still has the speed to make long runs. He also caught 63 passes last year. With a year under his belt and Jay Cutler in Chicago hes going to be that much better in 2009.

Statistically, and wisdom alone I would have to go with Portis. If you are talking about age, future of the team, and being on the rise then yes I would take Forte.

Again all I was trying to point out was that I thought we were ranked rather low in regards to some teams who sit above us. I would definitly put us ahead of Chicago, perhaps Dallas cause I think they are going to have trouble this yr, the Eagles cause they still have not proved anything other then Westbrook who is usually injured half a season.