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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

The folks who wrote the case study don't really matter. He was prosecuted with 19 counts of violating the law and was found not guilty on all 19 counts.

From the point of law absolutely correct.

However, the statistics mentioned from the Kansas Dept. of Health should be considered in the context of your earlier post of situations a) and b). The issue raised by the person who wrote the case study that Tiller was performing at least 50% of his late-term abortions on viable fetuses (babies) where there the mother's life was not in danger appears to be borne out in the statistics.

What isn't shown (I'm sure by design) is whether the reason for the abortion to "Prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" was a physical or mental health issue. If the case study is true, that Tiller was using "mental health" issues as justification for the late term abortions, while not illegal, his actions are much morally worse than if he was legitimately trying to save women's lives or aborting unviable fetuses.

KDHE Center for Health and Environmental Statistics

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

From the point of law absolutely correct.

However, the statistics mentioned from the Kansas Dept. of Health should be considered in the context of your earlier post of situations a) and b). The issue raised by the person who wrote the case study that Tiller was performing at least 50% of his late-term abortions on viable fetuses (babies) where there the mother's life was not in danger appears to be borne out in the statistics.

What isn't shown (I'm sure by design) is whether the reason for the abortion to "Prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" was a physical or mental health issue. If the case study is true, that Tiller was using "mental health" issues as justification for the late term abortions, while not illegal, his actions are much morally worse than if he was legitimately trying to save women's lives or aborting unviable fetuses.

KDHE Center for Health and Environmental Statistics

What you're saying is that mental illness isn't a valid reason to abort viable fetus. I find this take ridicules knowing that mental illness is as much of a serious illness as physical illness if not worse. Like postpartumt depression antepartum depression is no joke. Often the chemical imbalance (can be categorized as physical illness too) brought about by pregnancy is so sever that abortion is the most logical course of action less you want depression to go untreated (not a good idea due to the fact that it can lead to psychosis if untreated, isn't that right TTL?).

People whose arguments are mainly based on god should not be taken seriously.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

What you're saying is that mental illness isn't a valid reason to abort viable fetus. I find this take ridicules knowing that mental illness is as much of a serious illness as physical illness if not worse. Like postpartumt depression antepartum depression is no joke. Often the chemical imbalance (can be categorized as physical illness too) brought about by pregnancy is so sever that abortion is the most logical course of action less you want depression to go untreated (not a good idea due to the fact that it can lead to psychosis if untreated, isn't that right TTL?).

People whose arguments are mainly based on god should not be taken seriously.

Uh, no, I don't think being diagnosed with a mental disorder can justify a late-term abortion. Understanding the seriousness of many mental disorders, it's not on par with a direct, cause and effect life-threatening unviable fetus situation. It just isn't the same thing.

There is a time at which a women's mental health should be of primary concern to her physician. What you're saying is that, if left untreated for the first 7-8 months after conception, the entire process should be re-evaluated? Sorry, but I can't buy that there would ever be a situation where a late-term abortion would "make the most sense" for mental health. It's a strawman.

Your distrust for diety-based arguments is duely noted, though I would think you'd be best off avoiding as opposed to discrediting. Lest you be committing a logical fallacy by baselessly dissmissing a widely considered factor in arguments of morality.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

What you're saying is that mental illness isn't a valid reason to abort viable fetus. I find this take ridicules knowing that mental illness is as much of a serious illness as physical illness if not worse. Like postpartumt depression antepartum depression is no joke. Often the chemical imbalance (can be categorized as physical illness too) brought about by pregnancy is so sever that abortion is the most logical course of action less you want depression to go untreated (not a good idea due to the fact that it can lead to psychosis if untreated, isn't that right TTL?).

Depression isn't a valid reason IMO to abort a viable fetus (baby) in the third trimester. Depression can be treated. Babies can be adopted. Death can't be turned back or fixed.