Worst 5 Moves of Snyder era?

[bedlamVR]

Marty was a terrible, terrible, terrible GM . He showed it over here and carried on showing it with SD . His coaching style was confrontational and his idea of a good idea was alienating people like Darrrell Green, Geoff George and Deion Sanders along to the point they either were never going to return, retired or were cut early in the season .

Marty also went on to drop hard working "Core Redskins" Like Marco Coleman (a double digit LDE), Larry Centers .

He cut problematical players but often the wrong ones Albert Connell was a pain but he was more productive than Kevin locket .

His draft was awful . Fred Smoot is more popular than he is good , Rod Gardner was a mistake as was Sage Rosenfals was better for other teams and out of 5 picks he took one DL Marrio Monds anyone? and 2 WR's .

Marty also stayed loyal to his coaching staff and family memebers replacing the effective Ray Rhodes with his brother, staying Loyal to Jimmy Raye despite the offense being horrible, I mean worse than Spurrier at times . It was embaressing to watch .

For this reason Hiring Marty was a mistake in the first place . Had we made the right move and ditched Norv in 2000 we could have had Bilacheat as HC for example . We went or the big slpash and he washed out it was 8 years ago get over it .

Also Antonio Pierce . Man what a loss . He was replaced admirrally in 2005 by Lamar Marshell when the team went from 6-10 to 10-6 and the second round of the playoffs helped how ? Mostly by the D . lets not forget since joining NYG the LB corps has been the weakest link in that D with new starters shuffling in each year . We had one down year at MLB in 2006 with Marshell and then Fletcher came in . Not really a long seach . AP has also got more press for his mouth and off field behavior than anything on the field behind the best D-line in football. Who was with Plex when he shot himself ... ?

My worst moves .

Failing at Stability 101 : Firing coahes massive team turn over and always looking to replace hard working big committment guys with stars - e.g. Clark .

Trading Draft picks : Thinking it is 1972 in terms of obtaining talent . I know draft picks are only potential but we are far too willing to part company with them . We lock onto particlaur players rather than types of players .

Democracy ! - We need a leader, just One, not many (or establishing a identity) : The Front office is far too easily swayed by public opinion, and suffers from the "too many chiefs" in the coaching staff throughout the Gibbs area in particular . We may not need a new GM but we do need a decisive GM who listens and then does what is best for the team rather than pandering to position coaches .

I think Doc Walker said it best in the middle of the Cutler farce . This team could be very good if they chose a path and stayed with it . But we keep stopping and changing directions and so never have success .

One Speed free agency : We have to be first with FA pickups which often means we are spent up meaning when interesting Vets become available after the draft and in June we have nothing to offer .

Relationship with the press . Dan Snyder would have a much easier time with things if he had not been as hostile with the local media . This means the Post in particular will take swings at the owner every opportunity they get and often positive stories are totally overlooked . Taking the Shottenhiemer situation for example if you believe the press then Marty hates the Dan, yet they are regular golf partners and was present at Dan Snyders fathers funeral etc . Who was the quickest owner in his pocket after Katrina, Dan helped out players and past players loaning his plane to a number of players and ex payers for family reasons . we never hear the positive role Dan Snyder is having with the NFL sitting on many comittees and bringing about positive change .

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

Marty was a terrible, terrible, terrible GM . He showed it over here and carried on showing it with SD . His coaching style was confrontational and his idea of a good idea was alienating people like Darrrell Green, Geoff George and Deion Sanders along to the point they either were never going to return, retired or were cut early in the season .

Marty also went on to drop hard working "Core Redskins" Like Marco Coleman (a double digit LDE), Larry Centers .

He cut problematical players but often the wrong ones Albert Connell was a pain but he was more productive than Kevin locket .

His draft was awful . Fred Smoot is more popular than he is good , Rod Gardner was a mistake as was Sage Rosenfals was better for other teams and out of 5 picks he took one DL Marrio Monds anyone? and 2 WR's .

Marty also stayed loyal to his coaching staff and family memebers replacing the effective Ray Rhodes with his brother, staying Loyal to Jimmy Raye despite the offense being horrible, I mean worse than Spurrier at times . It was embaressing to watch .

For this reason Hiring Marty was a mistake in the first place . Had we made the right move and ditched Norv in 2000 we could have had Bilacheat as HC for example . We went or the big slpash and he washed out it was 8 years ago get over it .

Also Antonio Pierce . Man what a loss . He was replaced admirrally in 2005 by Lamar Marshell when the team went from 6-10 to 10-6 and the second round of the playoffs helped how ? Mostly by the D . lets not forget since joining NYG the LB corps has been the weakest link in that D with new starters shuffling in each year . We had one down year at MLB in 2006 with Marshell and then Fletcher came in . Not really a long seach . AP has also got more press for his mouth and off field behavior than anything on the field behind the best D-line in football. Who was with Plex when he shot himself ... ?

My worst moves .

Failing at Stability 101 : Firing coahes massive team turn over and always looking to replace hard working big committment guys with stars - e.g. Clark .

Trading Draft picks : Thinking it is 1972 in terms of obtaining talent . I know draft picks are only potential but we are far too willing to part company with them . We lock onto particlaur players rather than types of players .

Democracy ! - We need a leader, just One, not many (or establishing a identity) : The Front office is far too easily swayed by public opinion, and suffers from the "too many chiefs" in the coaching staff throughout the Gibbs area in particular . We may not need a new GM but we do need a decisive GM who listens and then does what is best for the team rather than pandering to position coaches .

I think Doc Walker said it best in the middle of the Cutler farce . This team could be very good if they chose a path and stayed with it . But we keep stopping and changing directions and so never have success .

One Speed free agency : We have to be first with FA pickups which often means we are spent up meaning when interesting Vets become available after the draft and in June we have nothing to offer .

Relationship with the press . Dan Snyder would have a much easier time with things if he had not been as hostile with the local media . This means the Post in particular will take swings at the owner every opportunity they get and often positive stories are totally overlooked . Taking the Shottenhiemer situation for example if you believe the press then Marty hates the Dan, yet they are regular golf partners and was present at Dan Snyders fathers funeral etc . Who was the quickest owner in his pocket after Katrina, Dan helped out players and past players loaning his plane to a number of players and ex payers for family reasons . we never hear the positive role Dan Snyder is having with the NFL sitting on many comittees and bringing about positive change .

You realize he's only fired Turner and Schottenheimer, right? Spurrier resigned over Snyder's objection, Gibbs retired over Snyder's objection. Robiske was an interim coach, very few of whom get retained anyways but it's easy for the media to add to the Snyder legend by lumping him in with the number of coaches we've had under his ownership.

You mentioned a better relationship with the press, a better informed fanbase has to go along with it. Too many 'fans' are sheep to the media and what they put out there, factual or not.

[wolfeskins]

i would have liked to see marty get another season with the skins. he should not have been fired so quickly, imo.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You realize he's only fired Turner and Schottenheimer, right? Spurrier resigned over Snyder's objection, Gibbs retired over Snyder's objection. Robiske was an interim coach, very few of whom get retained anyways but it's easy for the media to add to the Snyder legend by lumping him in with the number of coaches we've had under his ownership.

You mentioned a better relationship with the press, a better informed fanbase has to go along with it. Too many 'fans' are sheep to the media and what they put out there, factual or not.

Spurrier had an option, either resign or be fired, so what do you think looks better on your resume..back when that happend there were several reports saying that snyder gave him to options: get fired or quit

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Spurrier had an option, either resign or be fired, so what do you think looks better on your resume..back when that happend there were several reports saying that snyder gave him to options: get fired or quit

SI.com - NFL - Spurrier resigns Skins' head coach - Tuesday December 30, 2003 5:04PM

'Snyder accepted Spurrier's resignation with "much regret".' If he was given the option to quit or be fired then Snyder wouldn't be shy to say, 'We both agreed it was time for a new direction.'

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You realize he's only fired Turner and Schottenheimer, right? Spurrier resigned over Snyder's objection, Gibbs retired over Snyder's objection. Robiske was an interim coach, very few of whom get retained anyways but it's easy for the media to add to the Snyder legend by lumping him in with the number of coaches we've had under his ownership.

You mentioned a better relationship with the press, a better informed fanbase has to go along with it. Too many 'fans' are sheep to the media and what they put out there, factual or not.

I am sorry you are right . I fell into the trap about firing coaches, but when a head coach goes does everyone need to go ? From the DC to ST coach . I know some HC like to bring their guys but stability is key . I liked what we started to do under Gibbs and hire from within with Lindseys replacement, and maybe we are righting the ship by ading the HC last to an established coaching staff allowing him to bring in a couple of guys here and there, Sherman Smith etc ..