Ultimate Building Blocks: NFC East

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He went 12-4 last year with wins over the Cardinal,Panthers,Steelers and the Skins ........without Plax.

Actually, Eli Manning went 10-1 with Plax; 2-4* without him.

*Includes the Giant's loss to the Eagles.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Actually, Eli Manning went 10-1 with Plax; 2-4* without him.

*Includes the Giant's loss to the Eagles.

Nope,you seem to forget the games he was hurt or suspended ,and lets not play down who it was they beat without him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope,you seem to forget the games he was hurt or suspended ,and lets not play down who it was they beat without him.

Well, Plax did not play in 8 games last season (including the preseason), the Giants' record when he wasn't on the field was 4-4 (I didn't notice that on week 5 he didn't play). When Plax played, the team's record was 8-1; so still Plax was pretty important to Eli.

As I mentioned earlier, Eli can established himself as a great QB if he has similar or better success with the WR group he is going to be playing in 2009. Although I must say that the Giants have a strong defense and running game. He's not pulling a Tom Brady in 2006, when Brady without a true #1 wideout and a shady running game, carried the Patriots to the playoff in a competitive AFC.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope,you seem to forget the games he was hurt or suspended ,and lets not play down who it was they beat without him.

You seem to forget that after he shot himself in the leg, the Giants lost 4 outta 5 (including the playoff game against Philly) and Eli didn't throw a single TD to a WR. Don't downplay Plaxico's importance. Eli is iffy enough as it is.
Take away his security blanket and he's downright pedestrian at best, if not flat out bad.

In that 5 game stretch without Plax, Eli threw 2 TDs, 4 INTs, didn't throw for more than 200 yards in any game, and had a rating of 65.86, and most importantly only won once.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You seem to forget that after he shot himself in the leg, the Giants lost 4 outta 5 (including the playoff game against Philly) and Eli didn't throw a single TD to a WR. Don't downplay Plaxico's importance. Eli is iffy enough as it is.
Take away his security blanket and he's downright pedestrian at best, if not flat out bad.

In that 5 game stretch without Plax, Eli threw 2 TDs, 4 INTs, didn't throw for more than 200 yards in any game, and had a rating of 65.86, and most importantly only won once.

I'm going to asterisk the above. Prior to Plax's suspension, but after he shot himself, Smoot got torched for a 50 yd bomb by Toomer. It was Toomers last TD catch as a Giant.

Of course, with Blache calling plays in the rain, and with Smoot trying to cover someone downfield, I understand the NFL not wanting to give Eli credit for that pass

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm going to asterisk the above. Prior to Plax's suspension, but after he shot himself, Smoot got torched for a 50 yd bomb by Toomer. It was Toomers last TD catch as a Giant.

Of course, with Blache calling plays in the rain, and with Smoot trying to cover someone downfield, I understand the NFL not wanting to give Eli credit for that pass

Ok, so post-suspension Eli didn't throw a TD to a WR. My point of course was that Eli was pretty miserable during the 5 game stretch that Plax was suspended.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Ok, so post-suspension Eli didn't throw a TD to a WR. My point of course was that Eli was pretty miserable during the 5 game stretch that Plax was suspended.

Agreed though, less miserable and more Eli, I would say.

I don't want to take away from the fact that under the right conditions, Eli has shown he can be great, but for the most part, Eli-level wouldn't be a compliment to QBs who expect to play at a pro-bowl level. And that won't be the last rough 5 games stretch of his career, which I think is the main point here: if you are picking a building block for your franchise, you'd want to choose a player who isn't as prone to an extended length of poor play as Eli has been.

Saying that, say, Tavaris Jackson is playing like Eli Manning would be a compliment, but if Brett Favre gets compared to Eli this year, it's probably not because he's playing great. The obvious relationship between the players mentioned in this paragraph was purely unintentional.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Agreed though, less miserable and more Eli, I would say.

You can't spell miserable without eli