Obama Care

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I hope cool heads prevail here and this thread doesn't deteriorate further quickly.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I hope cool heads prevail here and this thread doesn't deteriorate further quickly.

That's true, this thread certainly turned away from Obama care didn't it?

[Beemnseven]

John Stossel nails it once again...

By contrast, in areas of medicine where most patients pay their own way, service gets better, while prices fall.

Take plastic surgery and Lasik eye surgery: Because patients shop around and compare prices, doctors work hard to win their business. They often give customers their cell-phone numbers. Service keeps increasing, but prices don't. "In every other field of medicine, the price is going up faster than consumer prices in general," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis. "But the price of Lasik surgery, on average, has gone down by 30 percent."

[firstdown]

Lets debate topics not attack each other for having a different opinion.

[dmek25]

not a good comparison. both lasek and plastic surgery are elective/ cosmetic. most of their cost is absorbed thru the patient. so of course people will be more frugal when using those procedures. now if that would work with heart surgery, and all the other operations a doctor could perform, then we would be talking

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

not a good comparison. both lasek and plastic surgery are elective/ cosmetic. most of their cost is absorbed thru the patient. so of course people will be more frugal when using those procedures. now if that would work with heart surgery, and all the other operations a doctor could perform, then we would be talking

I think that was sort of his point.

[MTK]

C'mon let's stick with the topic people. Now who wants my recipe for grilled tuna?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

C'mon let's stick with the topic people. Now who wants my recipe for grilled tuna?

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[CRedskinsRule]

Well I was gonna quote myself but that is just inane so I will just add these headlines, and again ask:
IF GM were operating in the RED to the tune of 95BILLION a MONTH, what would happen to it?
Oh wait, we will never know because they declared bankruptcy when being far less in debt.

We are now at a TRILLION dollar deficit, not Debt, but deficit. We should be cutting all sorts of programs, not looking for ways to let the government spend even more.

edit: put another way, the debt grows by about $50,000 every second. Figure your annual salary in multiples/fractions of that, and then say this country needs to do anything but go on a serious fiscal diet

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well I was gonna quote myself but that is just inane so I will just add these headlines, and again ask:
IF GM were operating in the RED to the tune of 95BILLION a MONTH, what would happen to it?
Oh wait, we will never know because they declared bankruptcy when being far less in debt.

We are now at a TRILLION dollar deficit, not Debt, but deficit. We should be cutting all sorts of programs, not looking for ways to let the government spend even more.

edit: put another way, the debt grows by about $50,000 every second. Figure your annual salary in multiples/fractions of that, and then say this country needs to do anything but go on a serious fiscal diet

Good post and I will add this is not a Dem or Rep issue it is both parties that have been spending forever like druken sailors. At some point it has to stop.

[MTK]

Everyone is greedy to a degree, not denying that. Hell a certain amount of greed is healthy. But greed is taken to entirely new levels with examples like Enron. That's greed at it's very worst.

[CRedskinsRule]

Can someone explain why Criminal Corporate Greed, as exemplified by Enron, is worse than an entire generation (ours) "stealing" our children's future (back to the 11TRILLION dollar debt number), which is somehow seen as the act of a benevolent government? Both parties have created this debt, and by extension all of us who have voted these people in have. We are the "shareholders" who are allowing this to happen.

If Enron was evil, then 11trillion dollar debt is too.
-- this is an emotional, not logical appeal. I know it is not an apple to apple comparison, but can anyone really wrap their mind around a number like 11trillion. Enron, and all the other corporate scandals, they hit home, the numbers make sense and there are personalities attached to each theft. But 11 trillion, that doesn't mean anything really, and the faces attached are more likely to be starving kids being fed or politicians just trying to help their community, then some evil or "greedy" corporate suit. But which one will have the longer negative affect on the United States?

ok done

atleast for now.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can someone explain why Criminal Corporate Greed, as exemplified by Enron, is worse than an entire generation (ours) "stealing" our children's future (back to the 11TRILLION dollar debt number), which is somehow seen as the act of a benevolent government? Both parties have created this debt, and by extension all of us who have voted these people in have. We are the "shareholders" who are allowing this to happen.

If Enron was evil, then 11trillion dollar debt is too.
-- this is an emotional, not logical appeal. I know it is not an apple to apple comparison, but can anyone really wrap their mind around a number like 11trillion. Enron, and all the other corporate scandals, they hit home, the numbers make sense and there are personalities attached to each theft. But 11 trillion, that doesn't mean anything really, and the faces attached are more likely to be starving kids being fed or politicians just trying to help their community, then some evil or "greedy" corporate suit. But which one will have the longer negative affect on the United States?

ok done

atleast for now.

There is not a big difference to me and our large national dept is a product of congress unwilling to cut cost do to the fact they are scared it will cost them their job. When was the last time we had someone running for office that actually stood up and talked about all the cuts that need to be made. I'm sure there are some and McCain did to a point but most just talk about more goverment programs as did McCain.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

There is not a big difference to me and our large national debt is a product of congress unwilling to cut cost do to the fact they are scared it will cost them their job. When was the last time we had someone running for office that actually stood up and talked about all the cuts that need to be made. I'm sure there are some and McCain did to a point but most just talk about more goverment programs as did McCain.

Sounds like the same issue with the flawed corporate model. More support for your theory CRR.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Sounds like the same issue with the flawed corporate model. More support for your theory CRR.

That makes no sense. I'd say a corporate mgr would do the opposite and cut cost to save their job. Wouldn't cost over run cost them money?