Obama Care

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Cutting taxes has been proven OVER AND OVER that they help the economy. The economy was booming just a couple of years after 09/11, thanks to tax cuts. They help people not only have more money in their pockets, but also allow employers to hire more people.

This is why we had 4%, almost non-existent unemployment then, and now when you factor in people who have given up looking for jobs, we have 18%.

BUSTER I am from South Carolina . I know for a fact tax cuts don't help the economy or create jobs. That traditional values do not improve quality of life. Legalizing guns don't get any criminals shot by civillians. South Carolina is in pitiful shape and is a conservative heaven. Run by Republicans from start to finish. From top to bottom. South Carolina is the poster child of the Democrats.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Cutting taxes has been proven OVER AND OVER that they help the economy. The economy was booming just a couple of years after 09/11, thanks to tax cuts. They help people not only have more money in their pockets, but also allow employers to hire more people.

This is why we had 4%, almost non-existent unemployment then, and now when you factor in people who have given up looking for jobs, we have 18%.

BUSTER!! news flash. Bush's tax cuts have not been repealed. unemployment went sky high under Bush's watch. Bush had to come on TV and beg for 700 Million dollars to save millionaires.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

BUSTER!! news flash. Bush's tax cuts have not been repealed. unemployment went sky high under Bush's watch. Bush had to come on TV and beg for 700 Million dollars to save millionaires.

The numbers spiked when the Democrats overwhelmingly took over Congress. In fact, the economy's first signs of weakness came when the balance of power shifted into the Democrat's favor. (a similar coincidence happened in the 1930s)

Tax cuts had nothing to do with the downturn, it had more to do with the housing scandals with Freddie/Fannie, also known as Barney Frank (D) /Chris Dodd (D).









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[firstdown]

You can register a car without ins. but you have to pay an additional fee to do so. The goverment does not force you to buy a car so no one can say they force them to buy ins. anyways.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You can register a car without ins. but you have to pay an additional fee to do so. The goverment does not force you to buy a car so no one can say they force them to buy ins. anyways.

Not in md, if you don't have proof of insurance they fine you $150 a day until you show proof of insurance. It is mandatory in md.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Not in md, if you don't have proof of insurance they fine you $150 a day until you show proof of insurance. It is mandatory in md.

Your right MD is one state that the only way you can not be forced to have car ins. is to not own a car.

[saden1]

Most states force you to buy liability insurance if you own a car. Some states like VA allow you to not have liability insurance but they indirectly force you to have it by instituting an annual Uninsured Motor Vehicle fee of $500. Now when presented with this option any sane person would say to themselves why pay $500 and take on liability of damages done to another car when you can take that $500, add a few more bucks and get insurance for your car? UMV fee is a gimmick and a barrier for people who want to not insure their car...it's a soft individual mandate if you will.

Anywho, these lawsuits are a wast of tax payer money and merely serve as political grandstanding. No court will reject the individual mandate as that will open the floodgates for other lawsuits into Social Security and Medicare program. Precedent means something in court folks.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Most states force you to buy liability insurance if you own a car. Some states like VA allow you to not have liability insurance but they indirectly force you to have it by instituting an annual Uninsured Motor Vehicle fee of $500. Now when presented with this option any sane person would say to themselves why pay $500 and take on liability of damages done to another car when you can take that $500, add a few more bucks and get insurance for your car? UMV fee is a gimmick and a barrier for people who want to not insure their car...it's a soft individual mandate if you will.

Anywho, these lawsuits are a wast of tax payer money and merely serve as political grandstanding. No court will reject the individual mandate as that will open the floodgates for other lawsuits into Social Security and Medicare program. Precedent means something in court folks.

Open that dam flood gate so I can get my F$@#ing money back from SS and put in into a real retirment plan with a real rate of return.

[CRedskinsRule]

Maryland’s Auto Insurance Rules and Regulations

Maryland (MD) Mandatory Auto Insurance Minimums

* Liability: 20/40/15 = Bodily Injury Individual/Bodily Injury Total Per Accident/Property Damage
* Other Mandatory Insurance: Personal Injury Protection, Uninsured Motorist
* Regulations Regarding Proof of Insurance: Proof Required - When Obtaining Registration
* Penalties For Not Carrying Mandatory car insurance: Fine up to $1000 and up to one year in jail

I would say that is the government forcing you to IF you choose to register a car.
don't know how you opt out of the health care plan, choose not to live??? so the point is valid for health insurance, even it is not for car insurance.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Maryland’s Auto Insurance Rules and Regulations


I would say that is the government forcing you to IF you choose to register a car.
don't know how you opt out of the health care plan, choose not to live??? so the point is valid for health insurance, even it is not for car insurance.

Same concept, and it is familliar to the American public. If you don't want to buy health insurance you must pay a fine. That's what Glenn Beck means by forcing you to buy health insurance. you don't have to, but you must pay a fine. Hospitals can't turn you away, costs are so high because the paying folks have to make up for the folks who dont' pay. If they pay something it will help tremendously.

[joethiesmanfan]

Hold up!!! Everybody calm down and form a single file line at the gun store. Now don't you that feel better you done something. Take a picture, NOW!!! you look just like Washington crossing the Potomac, don't forget your golf clubs Fellas.

[firstdown]

The problem is if they force the ins. co. to take evrybody regardless of their health condition they also have to either force people to buy ins or force them to pay any and all of the health bills. If they did not force people to buy ins. but force th ins. co to take everyone people that don't give a dam would just wait until they get sick then buy ins. Now they only drain the system and do not really ever pay into the system. You could tell them fine you don't have to buy ins. but if anything happens then you must pay all bills and even if you file bank ruptcy you still have to pay your medical bills. I'm actually torn on this issue because I don't like the goverment forcing people to buy ins. but I also know the uninsured put a drain on the system.

As much as I hate to say this I think the only choice is to force people to buy coverage unless they can show that they are able to pay any health cost they may incure. The problems we are going to see is that these new mandates on the ins. co. will drive up cost and there is no way around that. Maybe after everyone is in the system the newer healthy customer might off set the new customers with health issues. Another issue I have is we will see people who can aford those new cars but some how get the goverment to pay a portion of their ins which will happen. Its the same thing with just about all social programs is that you will have people milking the system for everything they can and thats what ticks me off. You also have dumb a$$ goverment workers who don't care and allow this to happen.

[firstdown]

I'd just like to know where you guys find all these neat little charts. Is there a Carts R Us store on the internet?

[Trample the Elderly]

Euthanasia booths in England? It can't happen here. Here's how the typical liberal asshole thinks.

Martin Amis calls for euthanasia booths to deal with 'silver tsunami' - Telegraph

[GMScud]

Plenty of infighting amongst the Dems now. Looks like Franken spit some venom at Axlerod and the administration. Good for him:

Al Franken lays into David Axelrod over health care bill - Andy Barr and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com