Obama Care

[dmek25]

then why don't they come up with their own ideas? instead of blasting the health care bill, come up with an alternative. don't just say its a Democratic idea, and it stinks. i do not totally agree with the bill. but i hoping its a start, not the finish. the GOP has been talking about tort reform forever. this is probably where the issue should have started. they had 6 years of total control of everything under W. they could have passed anything they wanted to. did they accomplish anything in those 6 years?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmek25

then why don't they come up with their own ideas? instead of blasting the health care bill, come up with an alternative. don't just say its a Democratic idea, and it stinks. i do not totally agree with the bill. but i hoping its a start, not the finish. the GOP has been talking about tort reform forever. this is probably where the issue should have started. they had 6 years of total control of everything under W. they could have passed anything they wanted to. did they accomplish anything in those 6 years?

They did none of the things they're talking about now, other than pay lip service to tort reform.

Nope. Instead of working to eliminate ridiculous mandates, remove the barriers to allow the purchase of health coverage across state lines, make the cost of health insurance tax deductible, they added another entitlement.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

They did none of the things they're talking about now, other than pay lip service to tort reform.

Nope. Instead of working to eliminate ridiculous mandates, remove the barriers to allow the purchase of health coverage across state lines, make the cost of health insurance tax deductible, they added another entitlement.

Are you a supporter of the Republican party or their base of operations the TEA party movement? IF so I wanted to say that those are some very good proposals. They should be included in the bill. THIS IS A SERIOUS post "queue for a good tramp diss" .

One question, and this is a rhetorical question. (So tramp can keep up

This is why you guys can not be trusted. You have all the solutions to the health care problem and choose not to share this with the country. Choose not to participate in a very serious new bill. Choose a strategy as insurgents (Who the hell came up with that image?), this is not Iraq. This is the country you want to lead. That leads to the real question, if you guys were in charge where would you lead us? (oops that was rhetorical) Return us to the rules of 1776 with the technology of 2010? Let you guys shape the future when we know you had all the answers all along and you left the American people to suffer. Are you punishing us? You choose not to listen or give your plan, yet I should trust you to lead me? The last president was Bush, he started with a budget surplus and he ended with record deficits. He let the twin towers fall. He let thousands drown in New Orleans, he could not catch a 70 year old man on kidney dialysis, he got on national TV and announced he was removing over 700 million dollars out the treasury to give to Wall Street, the worse recession since the great depression, the space shuttle blew up (bad luck factor evidence), Cheney shot his homeboy in the face, Israel's 1st defeat (Condi was pulling the UN levers), Sunami killed 100's of thousands, 8 million jobs lost, etc.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Are you a supporter of the Republican party or their base of operations the TEA party movement? IF so I wanted to say that those are some very good proposals. They should be included in the bill. THIS IS A SERIOUS post "queue for a good tramp diss" .

One question, and this is a rhetorical question. (So tramp can keep up

This is why you guys can not be trusted. You have all the solutions to the health care problem and choose not to share this with the country. Choose not to participate in a very serious new bill. Choose a strategy as insurgents (Who the hell came up with that image?), this is not Iraq. This is the country you want to lead. That leads to the real question, if you guys were in charge where would you lead us? (oops that was rhetorical) Return us to the rules of 1776 with the technology of 2010? Let you guys shape the future when we know you had all the answers all along and you left the American people to suffer. Are you punishing us? You choose not to listen or give your plan, yet I should trust you to lead me? The last president was Bush, he started with a budget surplus and he ended with record deficits. He let the twin towers fall. He let thousands drown in New Orleans, he could not catch a 70 year old man on kidney dialysis, he got on national TV and announced he was removing over 700 million dollars out the treasury to give to Wall Street, the worse recession since the great depression, the space shuttle blew up (bad luck factor evidence), Cheney shot his homeboy in the face, Israel's 1st defeat (Condi was pulling the UN levers), Sunami killed 100's of thousands, 8 million jobs lost, etc.

Worst post of all time . Blame America < bush > for 9-11 ?? The CIA and FBI directors were Clinton appointees . The intel angency's were hampered by another Clinton Appt. ...American Thinker: Mistress of Disaster: Jamie Gorelick who along with fellow Clinton appt. commited accounting fraud at Fannie and AIG ....False Signatures Aided Fannie Mae Bonuses, Falcon Says (washingtonpost.com) In Sept. 2003 the Bush admin. had reg's on capitol hill New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com only to have dems like M. Waters kill the reg reform ... http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...ties-real-time and Clintons Tres. Sec , running Citi and .....Robert Rubin returns - Eamon Javers - POLITICO.com ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...ortgage_crisis so you can see the facts point to Clintons admin ... they signed the bills into law , CRA / Subprime Lending / eliminated the glass-steagal acthttp://www.articlesbase.com/real-estate-articles/the-glasssteagall-acts-loss-is-the-community-reinvestment-acts-gain-731738.html , ran our banks , GSE's and had Frank and Dodd running the house /senate finance committee's ,,,,,, facts , facts , no hope in dope Oh and if you did not know this , as far as Katrina , only the States Gov. can order an evacuation , which she declined to do , nor would she accept the help of the Nat. Guard .... offered by the the Bush Admin. Facts , facts .... no hope in dope

[jdlea]

I'm sure you guys will find a way to be upset about this too...

Obama: Hospitals Must Grant Same-Sex Visitations

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by budw38

Worst post of all time . Blame America < bush > for 9-11 ?? The CIA and FBI directors were Clinton appointees . The intel angency's were hampered by another Clinton Appt. ...American Thinker: Mistress of Disaster: Jamie Gorelick who along with fellow Clinton appt. commited accounting fraud at Fannie and AIG ....False Signatures Aided Fannie Mae Bonuses, Falcon Says (washingtonpost.com) In Sept. 2003 the Bush admin. had reg's on capitol hill New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com only to have dems like M. Waters kill the reg reform ... http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...ties-real-time and Clintons Tres. Sec , running Citi and .....Robert Rubin returns - Eamon Javers - POLITICO.com ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...ortgage_crisis so you can see the facts point to Clintons admin ... they signed the bills into law , CRA / Subprime Lending / eliminated the glass-steagal acthttp://www.articlesbase.com/real-estate-articles/the-glasssteagall-acts-loss-is-the-community-reinvestment-acts-gain-731738.html , ran our banks , GSE's and had Frank and Dodd running the house /senate finance committee's ,,,,,, facts , facts , no hope in dope Oh and if you did not know this , as far as Katrina , only the States Gov. can order an evacuation , which she declined to do , nor would she accept the help of the Nat. Guard .... offered by the the Bush Admin. Facts , facts .... no hope in dope

Don't even try the subprime blame game. Most foreclosures were people with multiple mortgages. You had people with 6 or 7 mortgages, counting on rising housing prices to make a profit. These are the people who can walk away, because they have homes. There were a few that defaulted, and this was their first home and only home, in those cases it wasn't the subprime mortagage. Beazer homes had people (couples) defaulting on 700 dollar a month mortgages (drug problems). Blame greed and speculation. The reason they had to make subprime mortgages "oh yeah, remember Bush's reelection campaign (Ownership Society)". Democrats had congress for 2 years, republicans for 6. None of their magic cures for america's ills were implemented. Atleast THE democrats can implement an agenda. Ownership society was a money grab plan, they made no stipulation about how many or who gets the subprime loans. They figured two years was all they needed to sell the homes. So they bought many mortgages. Dumbasses built too many houses and market forces forced prices down. Foiled again!!!! The rest is history, first black president etc.

[joethiesmanfan]

SUBPRIME

example Miami housing market :

Most mortgages that defaulted were those without nay tenants. Notice all the condo's without nay residents that went belly up!! The risk in subprimes came from people gambling, if I pay a fraction of the mortgage for two years the housing prices rise and if I can sell the house before my mortgage resets to a higher amount I make a profit. subrpimes allowed some people to over extend themselves, copycats begat copycats.

[joethiesmanfan]

Those numbers have not been totally forth coming. Those are the numbers that we need right now. When you have cvondos sold out before their finihsed, and now all of them are empty. Interesting.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Those numbers have not been totally forth coming. Those are the numbers that we need right now. When you have cvondos sold out before their finihsed, and now all of them are empty. Interesting.

Back in that market it was very common for the condos or homes to be sold before they were even built. My buddy purchased a home and the contractor took 1 1/2 years to build the house. The market was going crazy and now this home he purchased for 280,000 was now selling for 420,000. He never moved into the house and sold it the same day he colsed on the house and he purchased another home.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Back in that market it was very common for the condos or homes to be sold before they were even built. My buddy purchased a home and the contractor took 1 1/2 years to build the house. The market was going crazy and now this home he purchased for 280,000 was now selling for 420,000. He never moved into the house and sold it the same day he colsed on the house and he purchased another home.

Nice move, but greed caused some people to try that with let's say 5 condos. The lax oversight and subprime loans made the perfect environment so people could do this. Ii know fools who were declaring themsleves millionaires over night. Everybody was getting in the game and it became saturated. When the wheels started coming off those who took the high risk high reward route teeter tottered the damn country.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Nice move, but greed caused some people to try that with let's say 5 condos. The lax oversight and subprime loans made the perfect environment so people could do this. Ii know fools who were declaring themsleves millionaires over night. Everybody was getting in the game and it became saturated. When the wheels started coming off those who took the high risk high reward route teeter tottered the damn country.

Why do you think all this was done on subprime loans? Many of these people had regular loans its just that he market went flat and they are now stuck with a bad investment that they cannot sell. I also don't remember Bush running on everyone should own a home.

[joethiesmanfan]

Bush owns this for one simple reason. He was relected because of it. He barely won, he took that issue from the Democrats and it was a nice nice political move. Slogan "Ownership Society". A utopia where all people own their own property and get tax breaks for it. Result = deficit hell. We had to borrow more money because the tax cuts left the revenue pool drained and America was spoiled from the tax cuts, just like entitlements make people spoiled also. don't even mentioned the war. He tried to solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict by taking Iraq out the picture. This blew ozygen on the flame.

Neocons are not good strategists.

[MTK]

Remarks by the President on Homeownership - HUD

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Remarks by the President on Homeownership - HUD

It's official, Bush is definitely not a conservative.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Remarks by the President on Homeownership - HUD

I know he talked about home ownership JTFan said he based his whole campain off this which I don't remember. He could have I remember it more about finishing the war on terrorism and Iraq.