Gibbs' take on Campbell's situation

[skinsfan69]

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

Brees came within a few yards of breaking the all time yardage record with David Patton, Devry Henderson, Lance Moore, Robert Meachum and half a season with Colston. Amazing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

Wait, ur comparing Campbell to Brees? I agree that ppl shouldn't completely blame the WRs, although they do tend to drop a lot of balls. But JC is nowhere near where Brees is at this point in his career.

Also, did you notice that all the teams that you mentioned (Miami, San Diego, Tenn, and New Orleans) were in the top 10 of least sacks allowed in 2009?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Ditto. Stop blaming the WRs. Lots of teams have sucky receivers, but they still manage to score points - Miami, San Diego, Tennessee, Atlanta (well, when Vick was there they sucked). I've seen Miami march 80 yards down the field without throwing a single pass to a WR. New Orleans had so many WR injuries last year, they started putting random guys from the crowd into the game. Brees kept on hitting them for long gains. It's all about Campbell. No more excuses.

What you're saying is true in the loosest sense of the term, all those teams had iffy production from the receivers and strong passing offenses, but in a more structured sense, not one of those teams were as bad on the outside as we were.

The Browns and Seahawks were probably worse at WR than we were last year, and you can probably throw the Raiders, Rams, Bears, and Vikings in there as well. But you know what, none of those teams had any semblence of a passing game last year. So, it's not proven that an offense can function at a higher level than ours last year without a better job on the outside. We'll see. The OL should improve, but the WRs must develop because the veterans aren't likely to be more healthy than they were last year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What you're saying is true in the loosest sense of the term, all those teams had iffy production from the receivers and strong passing offenses, but in a more structured sense, not one of those teams were as bad on the outside as we were.

The Browns and Seahawks were probably worse at WR than we were last year, and you can probably throw the Raiders, Rams, Bears, and Vikings in there as well. But you know what, none of those teams had any semblence of a passing game last year. So, it's not proven that an offense can function at a higher level than ours last year without a better job on the outside. We'll see. The OL should improve, but the WRs must develop because the veterans aren't likely to be more healthy than they were last year.

And do you think we did?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And do you think we did?

Do you want me to qualify this, or can I just leave it as an implied yes (without being taken out of context)?

EDIT
^^Probably reads as more smart alecky than intended. I was trying to ask if the sentence in the context above can stand for itself, or if you really want hard numbers that suggest our passing game was clearly better than Clevelands or Seattles.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do you want me to qualify this, or can I just leave it as an implied yes (without being taken out of context)?

EDIT
^^Probably reads as more smart alecky than intended. I was trying to ask if the sentence in the context above can stand for itself, or if you really want hard numbers that suggest our passing game was clearly better than Clevelands or Seattles.

I will agree with you on that. But that's not really saying much. Seattle was crushed by injured wr's and qb. Cleveland doesn't have a legit NFL QB. But having a passing game slightly better than Cleveland and a injury depleted Seattle team isn't saying much.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I will agree with you on that. But that's not really saying much. Seattle was crushed by injured wr's and qb. Cleveland doesn't have a legit NFL QB. But having a passing game slightly better than Cleveland and a injury depleted Seattle team isn't saying much.

No, it's certainly not. Our number one goal on offense should be to make sure we build on what we began last year, and not to regress simply because our QB has his job on the line. Once that is accomplished, the next goal would be to improve the passing efficiency to score more touchdowns.

The key, obviously, is going to be in the big plays. Even when Moss is well covered, we're going to ask Kelly and Thomas to win those one on ones, and the rest should go from there. Those double moves that we like require great pass protection, and there's no guarentee that we can get that, but those vertical routes by secondary wide receivers can be run at any time...if only we get the personnel to run them.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

Well I will agree with this. I've thought for awhile that JC plays too safe. I'm just not sure if it's him or the coaching. I don't know if it's been drilled into his head not to turn the ball over since he's been here, but at some point he needs to take control and go for it. A receiver is not always "wide open" and sometimes you have to take a shot and let him make a play. I personally would like to see him be a playmaker instead of a Trent Dilfer manage-the-game type of QB. He has shown the ability and hopefully this year he shows he can do what Gibbs said a QB needs to do. Drive the team down the field in the middle of a hailstorm. I believe he's capable of it, I just hope he believes so too.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well I will agree with this. I've thought for awhile that JC plays too safe. I'm just not sure if it's him or the coaching. I don't know if it's been drilled into his head not to turn the ball over since he's been here, but at some point he needs to take control and go for it. A receiver is not always "wide open" and sometimes you have to take a shot and let him make a play. I personally would like to see him be a playmaker instead of a Trent Dilfer manage-the-game type of QB. He has shown the ability and hopefully this year he shows he can do what Gibbs said a QB needs to do. Drive the team down the field in the middle of a hailstorm. I believe he's capable of it, I just hope he believes so too.

I wonder if JC was playing not to make a msitake or turn the ball over. He needs to know that he is our QB and no matter what we will ride with him. The coaches have to have confidence in him and let him go out and make plays. This way you let him go out succeed or fail.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC just needs to start taking more chances and stop playing dink and dunk ball. I don't buy the notion that Zorn isn't calling deep passes. Until he does that then his TD numbers will not improve and that's the bottom line. I don't care about comp. %, or rating. Make more big plays in the passing game and get your team in the end zone and all the stats will take care of itself. Until he does that then he'll never get a big contract. It's put up or shut up for Jason Campbell.

To get the ball down field, JC needs his line to give him time and WR to run the correct routes. Its a team game if their is a break down any where during the play it may not work. Its a team game and everyone has to do their part.