Jason Campbell gets his mind right for the season..

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What you said is one of the most damning statements there is about black QB. The reasoning there were fewer black QB in the league years ago was because they lacked the 'mental acuity to handle the position'. They were better suited to just run and jump. While that's not spoken in league circles, there is that stigma that lingers, especially when the whispers come out about 'slow to grasp the offense' or 'trouble reading defenses'.

The other thing that gets overlooked is the longevity of average black QB to average white QB. For every Charlie Batch (mid round career backup), there are 3 Luke McCowns. For every Byron Leftwich (former 1st rounder that didn't stick as a starter), there are 3-4 Joey Harringtons or Patrick Ramseys. The standards are different, like it or not.

Sorry for derailing the thread but it's an issue that gets pooh poohed too much by people fooling themselves into thinking that sports are colorblind.

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

You do realize that your statement is inherently racist, right? So was your prior statement about different positions suiting different races. Some years ago Jimmy the Greek was fired for making a very similar statement on air.

Look, I'm as white as white gets, so I have no axe of my own to grind here. But judging the ability of a person to play a certain position because of the color of their skin is racism.

With your statements you have proven JC to be correct: in the eyes of some people there is a racial double standard regarding the quarterback position.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You do realize that your statement is inherently racist, right? So was your prior statement about different positions suiting different races. Some years ago Jimmy the Greek was fired for making a very similar statement on air.

Look, I'm as white as white gets, so I have no axe of my own to grind here. But judging the ability of a person to play a certain position because of the color of their skin is racism.

With your statements you have proven JC to be correct: in the eyes of some people there is a racial double standard regarding the quarterback position.

Agreed...I was actually hoping no one would respond to mlmpetert's comment so as not to lend it any recognition.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed...I was actually hoping no one would respond to mlmpetert's comment so as not to lend it any recognition.

Sorry...your strategy is better.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You do realize that your statement is inherently racist, right? So was your prior statement about different positions suiting different races. Some years ago Jimmy the Greek was fired for making a very similar statement on air.

Look, I'm as white as white gets, so I have no axe of my own to grind here. But judging the ability of a person to play a certain position because of the color of their skin is racism.

With your statements you have proven JC to be correct: in the eyes of some people there is a racial double standard regarding the quarterback position.

You are right what i said iswrong. But I never said anything about judging the ability of a person to play a certain position by there race, but rather that there are physical difference between races that complement races in different ways.

I would expect the individuals talent would always speak for itself regardless of race. Maybe still a little naive to take for granted that the NFL or other professionals also think that way. Either way wrong and incorrect. My apologizes to everyone, especially those offended.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

You are right what i said iswrong. But I never said anything about judging the ability of a person to play a certain position by there race, but rather that there are physical difference between races that complement races in different ways.

I would expect the individuals talent would always speak for itself regardless of race. Maybe still a little naive to take for granted that the NFL or other professionals also think that way. Either way wrong and incorrect. My apologizes to everyone, especially those offended.

I don't think your intentions were wrong, it's just the idea that different races are better suited for different positions based solely on the color of their skin. That's why so many Afro-American QB's became DB's in the NFL not so long ago. It's based on ignorance. As a Redskin fan, all I can say is, thank God for Doug Williams!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think your intentions were wrong, it's just the idea that different races are better suited for different positions based solely on the color of their skin. That's why so many Afro-American QB's became DB's in the NFL not so long ago. It's based on ignorance. As a Redskin fan, all I can say is, thank God for Doug Williams!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

You are right what i said iswrong. But I never said anything about judging the ability of a person to play a certain position by there race, but rather that there are physical difference between races that complement races in different ways.

I would expect the individuals talent would always speak for itself regardless of race. Maybe still a little naive to take for granted that the NFL or other professionals also think that way. Either way wrong and incorrect. My apologizes to everyone, especially those offended.

Hey no problem. HTTR.

53Fan and GTripp are right, it was a bit odd that JC would play race the way that he did. Maybe that is just poor editing and JC's original remarks had more flow to them. Or maybe JC is just frustrated. If it is the latter, and JC was just expressing frustration, it may have been intended more for the media and fans, not the members of the FO, thus taking the football "professionals" which you mention out of the equation.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You do realize that your statement is inherently racist, right? So was your prior statement about different positions suiting different races. Some years ago Jimmy the Greek was fired for making a very similar statement on air.

Look, I'm as white as white gets, so I have no axe of my own to grind here. But judging the ability of a person to play a certain position because of the color of their skin is racism.

With your statements you have proven JC to be correct: in the eyes of some people there is a racial double standard regarding the quarterback position.

What he said isn't racist in the least, merely something that might be the cause of a dynamic from our makeup. No more racist than the studies that have shown that blacks typically have narrower hips, longer legs, wider shoulders, and more fast twitch muscles for the most part. This allows them to typically jump higher, have a more efficient running stride, etc. It's not racist, it's science. There are a ton of societal reasons for some of these things as well.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

Maybe Jason Campbell just isn't that good of a quarterback?

[vallin21]

Someone please expain why the race card is being used on/for JC? JC is a QB trying to lead our team to Miami. All of the race crap is pointless, If he was a white QB we'd still be having the same discussion. He just needs to not force throws, gain some accuracy, and take shots downfield (although part of that is Zorn). If he does that I see us winning no less than 10 games.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Someone please expain why the race card is being used on/for JC?

Because he's black and some journalist knew it would stir controversy to ask a black QB whose owner has treated him pretty poorly in the offseason how he's feeling about it.

I think it's hilarious that Jason gave the most politically correct, middle-of-the-road answer a guy could give and people are still flipping out about what is a total red herring, though.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by dgack

Because he's black and some journalist knew it would stir controversy to ask a black QB whose owner has treated him pretty poorly in the offseason how he's feeling about it.

I think it's hilarious that Jason gave the most politically correct, middle-of-the-road answer a guy could give and people are still flipping out about what is a total red herring, though.

Exactly we have people flipping out about his race and crap. Granted back in the day blacks QB's didn't have the same opportunities as us, but it's a new day and this is JC's last year if he doesn't improve, (the FO made that clear) he's out the door.