Jason Campbell gets his mind right for the season..

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He holds how many NFL records?

Well theres the INT record Lol, but in all seriousness lets look at the Farve vs McNabb comparison. For starters Farve has a Super Bowl win and two NFC Championship wins. McNabb has One Conference Championship win. Not saying that McNabb is bad but that Super Bowl win goes a long way towards getting people to put up with you when you struggle.

Also as I mentioned before McNabb plays for a fan base that is down right critical. Farve on the other hand spent most of his time in Green Bay where the fans are much more level headed and practical. I also think it's worth mentioning that ever since his second half collapse he's gotten nothing but critiscm in part because he was playing for a fan base that hadn't stocked up on Farve good will. Hell I'm tired of hearing about Farve but my point is Farve has beared McNabb like critism since the second half of last year mainly because he's left the friendlier confines of Green Bay.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Well theres the INT record Lol, but in all seriousness lets look at the Farve vs McNabb comparison. For starters Farve has a Super Bowl win and two NFC Championship wins. McNabb has One Conference Championship win. Not saying that McNabb is bad but that Super Bowl win goes a long way towards getting people to put up with you when you struggle.

Also as I mentioned before McNabb plays for a fan base that is down right critical. Farve on the other hand spent most of his time in Green Bay where the fans are much more level headed and practical. I also think it's worth mentioning that ever since his second half collapse he's gotten nothing but critiscm in part because he was playing for a fan base that hadn't stocked up on Farve good will. Hell I'm tired of hearing about Farve but my point is Farve has beared McNabb like critism since the second half of last year mainly because he's left the friendlier confines of Green Bay.

I agree that McNabb plays for the critical Philly fan base. But there is more to it than that. National media and national fans must be considered, and in general these folks have not been as kind to McNabb as they could be. One must ask why. One also must ask exactly why the Philly folks have been so critical specifically of McNabb.

Some (certainly not all) fans and media members, both nationally and in Philly, bring racist attitudes towards the quarterback position. As we've seen in these pages, some of those racists lurk right here at the Warpath. Apparently, to some people, it is ok to have blacks do the grunt work but not ok to have them in positions of leadership.

The famous civil rights problems in Mississippi in the 1960's were not simply a result of the fact that Mississippi whites were grumpy. Similarly, criticism of McNabb does not arise simply because Philly folks are prone to boo Santa Claus. In both cases there is more to the story.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree that McNabb plays for the critical Philly fan base. But there is more to it than that. National media and national fans must be considered, and in general these folks have not been as kind to McNabb as they could be. One must ask why. One also must ask exactly why the Philly folks have been so critical specifically of McNabb.

Some (certainly not all) fans and media members, both nationally and in Philly, bring racist attitudes towards the quarterback position. As we've seen in these pages, some of those racists lurk right here at the Warpath. Apparently, to some people, it is ok to have blacks do the grunt work but not ok to have them in positions of leadership.

The famous civil rights problems in Mississippi in the 1960's were not simply a result of the fact that Mississippi whites were grumpy. Similarly, criticism of McNabb does not arise simply because Philly folks are prone to boo Santa Claus. In both cases there is more to the story.

Well if its not because he is in Philly (they did not just boo santa they threw stuff at him) then please explain why the media was in such love with MV. As far as QB talent you cannot even compare the two. I would also like to see some national coverage out side of Philly unfairly critical of McNabb.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well if its not because he is in Philly (they did not just boo santa they threw stuff at him) then please explain why the media was in such love with MV. As far as QB talent you cannot even compare the two. I would also like to see some national coverage out side of Philly unfairly critical of McNabb.

Well if its not because he is in Philly
It is not an either/or. I agreed with the idea of a hostile Philly atmosphere. But I also said that there was MORE to it than just that.

please explain why the media was in such love with MV.
I don't know about this "love." I saw the media dog Vick in his heyday many times (pun intended).

I would also like to see some national coverage out side of Philly unfairly critical of McNabb.
Pay more attention. There's plenty of it out there.

Many black quarterbacks, not just JC and McNabb, have complained of racial double standards towards qb's. Either:
a) they're lying, or
b) they're whining about nothing, or
c) there is something to be learned from their critiques because they are there, on the point, and we are not

Given the racism which lives on in our culture, choice C seems to me to be the most intelligent perspective, especially since JC publicly has never been given much to either lying or whining.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree that McNabb plays for the critical Philly fan base. But there is more to it than that. National media and national fans must be considered, and in general these folks have not been as kind to McNabb as they could be. One must ask why. One also must ask exactly why the Philly folks have been so critical specifically of McNabb.

Some (certainly not all) fans and media members, both nationally and in Philly, bring racist attitudes towards the quarterback position. As we've seen in these pages, some of those racists lurk right here at the Warpath. Apparently, to some people, it is ok to have blacks do the grunt work but not ok to have them in positions of leadership.

The famous civil rights problems in Mississippi in the 1960's were not simply a result of the fact that Mississippi whites were grumpy. Similarly, criticism of McNabb does not arise simply because Philly folks are prone to boo Santa Claus. In both cases there is more to the story.

Black QB's and coaches have won Super Bowls. I'd say basically no one has an issue with a Mike Tomlin or a Tony Dungy running an NFL team. I'd say that's a position of leadership. And the very very few who do take issue with men of that caliber are too stupid for words.

I honestly don't think the Eagle fans' opinions on McNabb have much if anything to do with skin color. People care about wins a helluva lot more than race. McNabb has had injury problems, he throws at his WRs feet way too often, and in 5 NFC Championship games, he's lost 4. He's been really good, but just not quite good enough to win them a Lombardi Trophy. Philly fans as a whole are fickle, angry idiots. Blue collar jerks who are so thirsty for sports championships they'll boo and/or criticize anything. And they feed off each others' idiocy, snowballing into a fan base that comes off as pushy, ignorant, and overly abrasive. If the Eagles start this season 6-2 or 7-1 and McNabb looks good, they'll be praising him. A few bad games out of #5, and they'll trash him. City of Brotherly Love my ass.

[GMScud]

From Thursday night's Sporting News Radio's The Monty Show:

"I gotta step in this year," Brennan said. "They've already made it clear that they're going to play me a ton in the preseason and we gotta play four very talented teams and talented defenses and that's going to be my test."

"Right now it seems like it's in everyone's hands," Brennan said. "For Jason Campbell it's his last year, it's in his hands to go out and earn that second contract and earn that for him. And for me in the preseason it's my chance to go out there for the second year and prove that I belong and have a great preseason and show that I belong and maybe could be a starter one day."

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Looks like we're set on pushing Campbell from every angle. Seems like Colt is going to get plenty of chances in the preseason to swell the Cult of Colt to the point of explosion. Or shut them up. Either way, it will be interesting to see what he's got.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

From Thursday night's Sporting News Radio's The Monty Show:

"I gotta step in this year," Brennan said. "They've already made it clear that they're going to play me a ton in the preseason and we gotta play four very talented teams and talented defenses and that's going to be my test."

"Right now it seems like it's in everyone's hands," Brennan said. "For Jason Campbell it's his last year, it's in his hands to go out and earn that second contract and earn that for him. And for me in the preseason it's my chance to go out there for the second year and prove that I belong and have a great preseason and show that I belong and maybe could be a starter one day."

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Looks like we're set on pushing Campbell from every angle. Seems like Colt is going to get plenty of chances in the preseason to swell the Cult of Colt to the point of explosion. Or shut them up. Either way, it will be interesting to see what he's got.

i think the skins front office and coaching staff really need to see what colt can do because if campbell doesn't play well this season then he's not coming back. with campbell not returning the skins have to make a huge decision, do they make colt the starter, do they draft a qb with their first round pick or do they go after a qb in free agency because we all know todd collins will not be the answer.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i think the skins front office and coaching staff really need to see what colt can do because if campbell doesn't play well this season then he's not coming back. with campbell not returning the skins have to make a huge decision, do they make colt the starter, do they draft a qb with their first round pick or do they go after a qb in free agency because we all know todd collins will not be the answer.

I think if Campbell plays poorly enough to be gone from DC for good, then chances are he'll get benched before the season is over, and we'll get a good look at Colt in regular season games.