Liberal Supermajority

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


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SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.

Well when your talking about how hard they work for their money it helps if you have actually know someone working in an auto plant. I had several friends who worked at the loacal ford plant (now closed) and they will admitt over paid under worked. Yes sometimes they worked their butt off but most of the time they said the job was pretty easy and the longer you are their the easier it got.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well when your talking about how hard they work for their money it helps if you have actually know someone working in an auto plant. I had several friends who worked at the loacal ford plant (now closed) and they will admitt over paid under worked. Yes sometimes they worked their butt off but most of the time they said the job was pretty easy and the longer you are their the easier it got.

This is true at my job too. In fact, it's true of most jobs and if it isn't you're. Saying they don't do anything is different than saying their job is not demanding. I know a lot of folks want to pay them $10 and they want to get paid their fair share.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is true at my job too. In fact, it's true of most jobs and if it isn't you're. Saying they don't do anything is different than saying their job is not demanding. I know a lot of folks want to pay them $10 and they want to get paid their fair share.

My buddy is a good example of what the union does in the way of getting in the way. He was installing things into the dash of F150 trucks which kept him pretty busy. After some type of review done by the union his mgr informed him that he would now have two other guys doing this task. When he asked why the mgr said it had something to do with union regulations. So now he had 2 other guys doing a job that he was doing on his own. These were guys they had to higher and would guess that had to be a cost close to $200,000 a year on Ford. MY buddy tried to talk them into just paying him more if they thought he was over worked. Mgr said that would be great if the union would allow that.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

My buddy is a good example of what the union does in the way of getting in the way. He was installing things into the dash of F150 trucks which kept him pretty busy. After some type of review done by the union his mgr informed him that he would now have two other guys doing this task. When he asked why the mgr said it had something to do with union regulations. So now he had 2 other guys doing a job that he was doing on his own. These were guys they had to higher and would guess that had to be a cost close to $200,000 a year on Ford. MY buddy tried to talk them into just paying him more if they thought he was over worked. Mgr said that would be great if the union would allow that.

this works both ways. in January, my work laid off about 100 people. guess who absorbed their jobs? the remaining employees. guess who doesn't get any more money? the remaining employees. sure, im glad to have a job. but since that lay off, we have added a handful of salary jobs. do you really think this happens if there is a union? and the people that point to the hourly workers at G.M as the root of the problem make me laugh. what about those C.E.O's making all the decisions, and millions to boot? think they might have had something to do with it?