Eli Manning vs Jason Campbell

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Touche'

Gotta give him some credit, they did do better vs the Pats that yr than we did. Definately one of the worse games ive seen us play in a long time. the whole team was dreadfull.

Without a doubt. I wanted to go hit Brady myself.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Without a doubt. I wanted to go hit Brady myself.

When it became clear that they were running it up on Joe Gibbs that really PI$$ED me off. you dont disrespect a HOF HC like that, and thats why the Football Gods shunned them in the SB . HAHAHAHA

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

When it became clear that they were running it up on Joe Gibbs that really PI$$ED me off. you dont disrespect a HOF HC like that, and thats why the Football Gods shunned them in the SB . HAHAHAHA

It would have been worth giving up a touchdown to allout blitz and smack that smug SOB in the mouth. I mean WTH, they were going to score anyway.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Touche'

Gotta give him some credit, they did do better vs the Pats that yr than we did. Definately one of the worse games ive seen us play in a long time. the whole team was dreadfull.

Agreed. Honestly, as much as I defend Campbell, I still think he has a lot to prove to be compared to a QB like Eli and Big Ben. Many have made very good arguments when you compare JC to Eli for example. But for the masses, Eli is a SB winning QB, and they will see nothing beyond that

With that being said, it is my hope that in the near future, JC can add winning a SB to his resume. I also hope that some of the positive factors that have helped the likes of Big Ben and Eli Manning win a Superbowl, can help JC and the Redskins succeed and win the big one.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by saden1

Quick, how many Super Bowls has JC won by throwing clutch passes against an 18-0 team in one of the greatest game of all time?

Uh please. Stop. They won yes. I'm not even a NE fan and I believe Eli was in the grass. The Refs should have called it. He throws up a hail marry. What would we be saying had a NE player caught the ball instead? The WR made the play. Barely. but he made the play. I would have also said the ball hit the ground cause in my eyes I'm seeing it move as the helmet hits the ground.

but you can argue the fact that they won. Skins have done nothing.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh please. Stop. They won yes. I'm not even a NE fan and I believe Eli was in the grass. The Refs should have called it. He throws up a hail marry. What would we be saying had a NE player caught the ball instead? The WR made the play. Barely. but he made the play. I would have also said the ball hit the ground cause in my eyes I'm seeing it move as the helmet hits the ground.

but you can argue the fact that they won. Skins have done nothing.

Ill admit i was glad the Giants won. Part of me doesnt want to see a team go undefeated -other than the skins ofcourse

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh please. Stop. They won yes. I'm not even a NE fan and I believe Eli was in the grass. The Refs should have called it. He throws up a hail marry. What would we be saying had a NE player caught the ball instead? The WR made the play. Barely. but he made the play. I would have also said the ball hit the ground cause in my eyes I'm seeing it move as the helmet hits the ground.

but you can argue the fact that they won. Skins have done nothing.

1) Eli was not in the grasp long enough the Ref was right there.

2)Barley or not he did it and the play had more then a couple of hundred cameras on it..........it didn't hit the ground

[dgack]

Don't know how many of you have seen this yet but it's kind of depressing. Hopefully JC doesn't see this kind of crap and get discouraged, but basically it seems like the entire nation thinks he's in the bottom half of the league's QB's and there's only a handful of states (about 10) that think he's in the top half of NFL QB's.

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

Don't know how many of you have seen this yet but it's kind of depressing. Hopefully JC doesn't see this kind of crap and get discouraged, but basically it seems like the entire nation thinks he's in the bottom half of the league's QB's and there's only a handful of states (about 10) that think he's in the top half of NFL QB's.

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

Most states show a vote that is split pretty evenly between "in the top half" and "not in the top half." Given that, I think we could assume that conventional wisdom sees Jason Campbell in the 15-25 range at quarterback.

Not that it really matters what Joe America thinks of Campbell.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Most states show a vote that is split pretty evenly between "in the top half" and "not in the top half." Given that, I think we could assume that conventional wisdom sees Jason Campbell in the 15-25 range at quarterback.

Not that it really matters what Joe America thinks of Campbell.

Yeah, I guess I expected there to be a lot more support in the expected areas (MD, VA, DC, MS. etc). What's probably very likely is the majority of people responding dont know a thing about his stats or scouting report, they just know he's the QB on a team that disappoints annually. Whose owner hung him out to dry in embarrassing fashion during the offseason.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah, I guess I expected there to be a lot more support in the expected areas (MD, VA, DC, MS. etc). What's probably very likely is the majority of people responding dont know a thing about his stats or scouting report, they just know he's the QB on a team that disappoints annually. Whose owner hung him out to dry in embarrassing fashion during the offseason.

Wait, the majority of people voting in an ESPN Sportsnation poll don't really have their facts straight? Tell me more!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait, the majority of people voting in an ESPN Sportsnation poll don't really have their facts straight? Tell me more!

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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

We can also take away from this that 1/20 people nationally has a stronger opinion of Jason Campbell than I do.

[SBXVII]

Funny what eight games can do. 6-2, Looking like the league MVP with no interceptions, controling the ball well. Then 2-6, He sucks, needs to be traded, can't get it done.

[GTripp0012]

Campbell's Ranks in the following measures by year:

DVOA (holding)
17th, 22nd, 18th

DYAR (improving -- mostly due to increasing games started per season)
21st, 17th, 16th

Completion % (improving drastically)
30th, 24th, 14th

Y/A (holding)
22nd, 24th, 26th

Adj Y/A [TDs add 20 yards, INTs subtract 45] (holding)
18th, 18th, 19th

TD Rate (holding...the 2006 number is in a small sample)
7th, 26th, 30th

INT Rate (improving)
13th, 8th, 1st

Sack Rate (declining drastically)
4th, 12th, 23rd

I guess the key figure to watch is the yards per attempt. All of his other peripherals suggest that this number will improve by up to a yard this season, which would result in about 2-3 additional PPG for the offense from Campbell alone. But it hasn't really improved from the day he came into the league.

I think he's probably improving his efficiency, but his declining supporting cast is masking these effects. If we finally get the 10 other offensive players moving in the right direction, the big year is absolutely inevitable.