Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Sigh. I already listed a couple in a few posts back. Since you consider JC supbar that would be any QB who stats were worse or similar to JC when it come to yards, TDS, and int.

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong

Did I say all the QBs who made the playoffs were subpar? No I didn't. You didn't answer anything. How are they better? You didn't prove anything.

Collins, Flacco, Big Ben, and Ryan had stats similar or worse to JC and their teams still went to the playoffs. I don't consider them being subpar. I was just saying since you considered JC to be subpar because he didn't throw alot of TDs than, that must mean Collins, Flacco, Ben, and Ryan must be too.

You still haven't explained why Collins, Flacco, Big Ben and Ryan teams were able to go to the playoffs without throwing alot of TDs???

JC actually played similar to the QBs mention above.

Btw Ryan wasn't a top ten QB last season.

[Ruhskins]

A little bit more stats...

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's

Great analysis there, you forgot to compare JC to Brady and Payton Manning (if you are looking for an easy argument I guess) . Anyway, Warner is an old QB and did pretty good throughout the season. It helped that AZ only allowed 28 sacks (tied 11th for the least sacks allowed) and he had two Pro Bowl wideouts (and arguably the best WR in Fitzgerald). Now, if you had thought about it a bit more (but I guess since you don't like stats), you could've made the argument that Warner won without having a running game (ranked at the bottom in the league) and with a crappy defense. However, I'm sure someone would have easily point out that the NFC West wasn't that competitive, allowing AZ to win the division with just one more win that our team, and the fact that AZ's defense came alive and finally complimented the offense during the playoffs.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A little bit more stats...



Great analysis there, you forgot to compare JC to Brady and Payton Manning (if you are looking for an easy argument I guess) . Anyway, Warner is an old QB and did pretty good throughout the season. It helped that AZ only allowed 28 sacks (tied 11th for the least sacks allowed) and he had two Pro Bowl wideouts (and arguably the best WR in Fitzgerald). Now, if you had thought about it a bit more (but I guess since you don't like stats), you could've made the argument that Warner won without having a running game (ranked at the bottom in the league) and with a crappy defense. However, I'm sure someone would have easily point out that the NFC West wasn't that competitive, allowing AZ to win the division with just one more win that our team, and the fact that AZ's defense came alive and finally complimented the offense during the playoffs.

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

I'm not saying that you are one, but if all JC-haters would mention this every once in a while, it would have saved me from doing a lot of typing tonite.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

Finally a voice of reason

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired

No, we are arguing with your delusional self who keeps bringing up this video like it is the NFL bible.

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Finally a voice of reason

An argument with facts that points out both negative and positive aspects of a player, yep that's what a reasonable argument looks like.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Finally a voice of reason

True, but it's not like others haven't been saying that as well

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

Good analysis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

Good post, 44, though I wouldn't say our sack numbers have been skewed at all. Some of that's on Campbell (you pointed this out), and a lot of it's on his protection (which includes missed blocks by Yoder and Portis and all the plays where Rabach had the wrong sort on).