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[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And how did things work out for Jefferson Davis and the confederacy? What's the "f'ing joke?"

The f'king joke is that America's history began with tragedy wherein men enslaved men while preaching freedom. One must uncomfortably laugh when they hear such talks as "America...history...[blah blah]..freedom."

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

The f'king joke is that America's history began with tragedy wherein men enslaved men while preaching freedom. One must uncomfortably laugh when they hear such talks as "America...history...[blah blah]..freedom."

I get it. There's certainly some hypocrisy in our history and how we preach things these days (it makes me physically cringe to say that).

I find a bit of irony in the fact that you seem rather anti-American History (at least the way it's talked about and taught), yet you favor the gigantic government side of the aisle.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I get it. There's certainly some hypocrisy in our history and how we preach things these days (it makes me physically cringe to say that).

I find a bit of irony in the fact that you seem rather anti-American History (at least the way it's talked about and taught), yet you favor the gigantic government side of the aisle.

Don't label me. I believe there is more to a government than simply providing a defense department. Providing social services is in the mandate of a government and "rising tides lift all boats" idiom is not limited in scope to to the realm of economics. Because I hold these view it doesn't mean I enjoy seeing my money wasted.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

The f'king joke is that America's history began with tragedy wherein men enslaved men while preaching freedom. One must uncomfortably laugh when they hear such talks as "America...history...[blah blah]..freedom."

Or one can recognize that it was the ideals of freedom which led to the day when every United States child can believe that he/she can hold the highest elected office, not because of their status or their wealth, but because they live in a land that offers individuals the ability to go where the parents did not. One must uncomfortably cry when the history of the United States is so blatantly perverted to promote the Federal takeover of the healthcare that it's supporters harken back the days of slavery, something long since abolished, denying the very ideals of freedom, and individual responsibility that great men such as Martin Luther King Jr - I have a dream ... where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. , and John F Kennedy - Ask NOT what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country(don't hear many UHC supporters touting that line!) in US history proclaimed.

It is f'king laughable that you Saden, who cheer so loudly for Obama, demean the ideals of freedom that led us to this momentous period where he has risen to the presidency.

The Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You speech by John F. Kennedy

Originally Posted by JFK speech

And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe - the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
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To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required
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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Or one can recognize that it was the ideals of freedom which led to the day when every United States child can believe that he/she can hold the highest elected office, not because of their status or their wealth, but because they live in a land that offers individuals the ability to go where the parents did not. One must uncomfortably cry when the history of the United States is so blatantly perverted to promote the Federal takeover of the healthcare that it's supporters harken back the days of slavery, something long since abolished, denying the very ideals of freedom, and individual responsibility that great men such as Martin Luther King Jr - I have a dream ... where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. , and John F Kennedy - Ask NOT what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country(don't hear many UHC supporters touting that line!) in US history proclaimed.

It is f'king laughable that you Saden, who cheer so loudly for Obama, demean the ideals of freedom that led us to this momentous period where he has risen to the presidency.

The Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You speech by John F. Kennedy

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" | NBC Philadelphia

Originally Posted by the other side of the story

Daniel Veres, a 16-year old Hispanic teen who is also a member, says the entire situation is just a misunderstanding. "We're not judgmental, we're just friendly," Veres said of the mostly white club.

For the children involved, the entire situation has left them simply sad and confused.

"I heard one lady saying 'Why's there so many black kids here' cause she said she was afraid that we might do something to her child," recalled camper Dymire Baylor. "How could they say that?"

If given the chance, the campers say they wouldn't step foot in the swim club, but they will be able to swim once again this summer. Girard College, a private Philadelphia boarding school for children who live in low-income and single parent homes, stepped in and offered their pool to Creative Steps.

"We had to help," said Girard College director of Admissions Tamara Leclair. "Every child deserves an incredible summer camp experience."

So the kids were given a refund and a different pool stepped up and offered them a place to swim. This is a FAR cry from being abused and sold as slaves or even the seperate but equal fallacy. It sounds like the club royally screwed up and that some, maybe most, members there have personal hangups, but don't make this into some "The US is still racist" jargon.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" | NBC Philadelphia


So the kids were given a refund and a different pool stepped up and offered them a place to swim. This is a FAR cry from being abused and sold as slaves or even the seperate but equal fallacy. It sounds like the club royally screwed up and that some, maybe most, members there have personal hangups, but don't make this into some "The US is still racist" jargon.

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL. It doesn't really matter that they were able to get a different pool to host the kids. The president of the club said:

"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

It doesn't get clearer than that and the fact that they said they couldn't host 65 kids with 8 supervisors is total bs once you see at the size of the club. This is the club.




It doesn't take a genius to see this for what it is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL.

I wholeheartedly agree with this part.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

Originally Posted by saden1

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL.

And so the unmitigated failure by one elitist club, that has been roundly condemned by every available outlet (show me one item saying that there exclusion of the kids was a good or even acceptable thing), is proof that the US as a nation has "a long way to go" towards racial tolerance and equality.

Talk about cherry picking your facts.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And so the unmitigated failure by one elitist club, that has been roundly condemned by every available outlet (show me one item saying that there exclusion of the kids was a good or even acceptable thing), is proof that the US as a nation has "a long way to go" towards racial tolerance and equality.

Talk about cherry picking your facts.

I don't have to cherry pick, it happened recently, it happened to kids, it has happened before and it happened in America. It's a perfect example if you ask me, do you want another example that demonstrates the road we must still travel? Or perhaps you're satisfied with "less frequency" of cases of racism (if only they included the non-direct incidents).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

Your right and it goes both ways.
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