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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" | NBC Philadelphia

Originally Posted by the other side of the story

Daniel Veres, a 16-year old Hispanic teen who is also a member, says the entire situation is just a misunderstanding. "We're not judgmental, we're just friendly," Veres said of the mostly white club.

For the children involved, the entire situation has left them simply sad and confused.

"I heard one lady saying 'Why's there so many black kids here' cause she said she was afraid that we might do something to her child," recalled camper Dymire Baylor. "How could they say that?"

If given the chance, the campers say they wouldn't step foot in the swim club, but they will be able to swim once again this summer. Girard College, a private Philadelphia boarding school for children who live in low-income and single parent homes, stepped in and offered their pool to Creative Steps.

"We had to help," said Girard College director of Admissions Tamara Leclair. "Every child deserves an incredible summer camp experience."

So the kids were given a refund and a different pool stepped up and offered them a place to swim. This is a FAR cry from being abused and sold as slaves or even the seperate but equal fallacy. It sounds like the club royally screwed up and that some, maybe most, members there have personal hangups, but don't make this into some "The US is still racist" jargon.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race" | NBC Philadelphia


So the kids were given a refund and a different pool stepped up and offered them a place to swim. This is a FAR cry from being abused and sold as slaves or even the seperate but equal fallacy. It sounds like the club royally screwed up and that some, maybe most, members there have personal hangups, but don't make this into some "The US is still racist" jargon.

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL. It doesn't really matter that they were able to get a different pool to host the kids. The president of the club said:

"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

It doesn't get clearer than that and the fact that they said they couldn't host 65 kids with 8 supervisors is total bs once you see at the size of the club. This is the club.




It doesn't take a genius to see this for what it is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL.

I wholeheartedly agree with this part.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

One must wonder if all is well in America in light of Obama's election. I say no and that we still have a long way to go.

Originally Posted by saden1

If you're talking about equality and freedom their refusal was a big TT FAIL.

And so the unmitigated failure by one elitist club, that has been roundly condemned by every available outlet (show me one item saying that there exclusion of the kids was a good or even acceptable thing), is proof that the US as a nation has "a long way to go" towards racial tolerance and equality.

Talk about cherry picking your facts.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And so the unmitigated failure by one elitist club, that has been roundly condemned by every available outlet (show me one item saying that there exclusion of the kids was a good or even acceptable thing), is proof that the US as a nation has "a long way to go" towards racial tolerance and equality.

Talk about cherry picking your facts.

I don't have to cherry pick, it happened recently, it happened to kids, it has happened before and it happened in America. It's a perfect example if you ask me, do you want another example that demonstrates the road we must still travel? Or perhaps you're satisfied with "less frequency" of cases of racism (if only they included the non-direct incidents).

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to cherry pick, it happened recently, it happened to kids, it has happened before and it happened in America. It's a perfect example if you ask me, do you want another example that demonstrates the road we must still travel? Or perhaps you're satisfied with "less frequency" of cases of racism (if only they included the non-direct incidents).

Choosing one recent incident out of the millions of interactions that occur each day is cherry picking. I can cherry pick similar examples to show how far we have come in a very short time. A new day in Mississippi - The Daily Nightly - msnbc.com

Do racists still exist in America, absolutely. Are you seriously trying to tell me that racism is as prevalent as it was even one generation ago? Are you seriously trying to assert that large strides haven't been made when, during the course of my lifetime, it has gone from being legally acceptable to discriminate on the basis of race to being prohibited (and in some cases criminal)? Further, not only is it illegal, overt racism is condemned by the vast majority of Americans - as evidenced by the media coverage of this particular event. When racists are exposed, their actions are condemned. This is a far cry from even 30 years ago.

Using the stats given by you and raise them by a factor of 100 to relate unreported incidents of racial discrimination, we are still left with less than a a million "incidents" and "offenses" of racial bias in a population of over 306 million. Even if it we raise them by a factor of 1000, it still shows an effect on less than 2.8% of the population. Is it wrong for even one person to be the victim of racial prejudice? absolutely. Does the fact that it occurs mean we have "a long way to go", no.

We could debate how far we've come and how far we have to go on that particular topic all day but I don't think this is the thread for that.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Choosing one recent incident out of the millions of interactions that occur each day is cherry picking. I can cherry pick similar examples to show how far we have come in a very short time. A new day in Mississippi - The Daily Nightly - msnbc.com

Do racists still exist in America, absolutely. Are you seriously trying to tell me that racism is as prevalent as it was even one generation ago? Are you seriously trying to assert that large strides haven't been made when, during the course of my lifetime, it has gone from being legally acceptable to discriminate on the basis of race to being prohibited (and in some cases criminal)? Further, not only is it illegal, overt racism is condemned by the vast majority of Americans - as evidenced by the media coverage of this particular event. When racists are exposed, their actions are condemned. This is a far cry from even 30 years ago.

Using the stats given by you and raise them by a factor of 100 to relate unreported incidents of racial discrimination, we are still left with less than a a million "incidents" and "offenses" of racial bias in a population of over 306 million. Even if it we raise them by a factor of 1000, it still shows an effect on less than 2.8% of the population. Is it wrong for even one person to be the victim of racial prejudice? absolutely. Does the fact that it occurs mean we have "a long way to go", no.

We could debate how far we've come and how far we have to go on that particular topic all day but I don't think this is the thread for that.

Saying "we still have a long way to go" is fair and accurate. I don't know why saying so is problematic for you and I am not even sure what your exception is.

All is better than it use to be is not the same as all is well.