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Old 07-13-2009, 04:58 PM   #1
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Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid

Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 05:33 PM   #2
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Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.
Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:18 AM   #3
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Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?
If Dan Synder would go out and give Haynesworth a 100 million contract their is no way that he doesnt want Jason to do well. We all know that Synder will reward you if you produce. We drafted 2 WR and a TE last yr draft so what makes you think their is a conspiracy to let Jason Campbell fail. Not a chance in Hell bro Synder loves to win.
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Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?
The conspiracy theorist would also ignore the fact the team drafted 2 WRs and a TE last year, and pounced on Dockery the second he was available this year.
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The conspiracy theorist would also ignore the fact the team drafted 2 WRs and a TE last year, and pounced on Dockery the second he was available this year.
Also Rinehart. Whether he works out or not, at least the FO was trying. Let's hope he is much improved this year.
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Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.
That's interesting, I'd like to see those numbers. How they calculate them and especially where everybody is ranked. Did you buy the Football Outsiders Almanac or was the info some place else?
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That's interesting, I'd like to see those numbers. How they calculate them and especially where everybody is ranked. Did you buy the Football Outsiders Almanac or was the info some place else?
Bought the Almanac.

I can't post their stuff online in anything but an abbreviated form, so with that in mind, I'll throw out the top ten in QB Accuracy:

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1. Brees 90.2%
2. P. Manning 87.0%
3. Favre 86.7%
4. Warner 86.5%
5. Garcia 86.0%
6. Cutler 85.8%
7. Campbell 85.7%
8. Delhomme 84.7%
9. Cassel 84.6%
10. Pennington 84.5%
League ave is listed at 82.6%

Other NFC East QBs:

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19. Romo 81.9%
23. McNabb 81.2%
26. Manning 80.8%
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Bought the Almanac.

I can't post their stuff online in anything but an abbreviated form, so with that in mind, I'll throw out the top ten in QB Accuracy:



League ave is listed at 82.6%

Other NFC East QBs:
Thanks. Sorry for bothering you again, but can you tell me where Flacco is ranked? My roommate's a Ravens fan and he always argues with me that Flacco is better than Campbell. I always used to tell him Flacco missed throws much more often than Campbell, so I was always curious how what I saw translates to numbers.
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Thanks. Sorry for bothering you again, but can you tell me where Flacco is ranked? My roommate's a Ravens fan and he always argues with me that Flacco is better than Campbell. I always used to tell him Flacco missed throws much more often than Campbell, so I was always curious how what I saw translates to numbers.
21st at 81.5%. Between Romo and McNabb.
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Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.
Great work GTripp -- great stats!! That's why I come to these mesg boards, you guys get info I haven't seen or heard anywhere else.

I also completely agree that he's inflated these stats by dumping balls off, BUT it still says that he can still throw an accurate ball. I'm also surprised we had so many drops -- S.Moss has got to work on it -- I hope the 2nd year trio (DT/MK/FD) can start catching balls to help him out.

As always, I'm hopeful for the season. I just wish there weren't always so many IF's. IF our OL stays healthy, IF our WR's actually play, IF our QB starts throwing deep, IF Rak can play OLB, IF Portis can stay healthy..
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Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

Well I think his accuracy rating is inflated because of all the many times he threw a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 12.
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Well I think his accuracy rating is inflated because of all the many times he threw a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 12.
and b/c you don't like Campbell.
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and b/c you don't like Campbell.
um he ranks in the bottom five of the league for yards per completion. the guy doesnt throw down the field so of course his accuracy is going to be better.

its not my opinion, its a fact
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um he ranks in the bottom five of the league for yards per completion. the guy doesnt throw down the field so of course his accuracy is going to be better.

its not my opinion, its a fact
But it's not his fault he doesn't throw down the field. He can't throw down the field without protection.
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But it's not his fault he doesn't throw down the field. He can't throw down the field without protection.
Or when his receivers are ranking high in drops. Specifically Santana, I assume that the majority of his drops were long balls that could have had a solid impact on his YPC avg.
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