Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by ethat001

To judge this, you merely have to ask -- was he worth the third round pick. From what we heard so far -- he probably is.

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

Not necessarily.

We took this player with as late of a pick as we could have used to get him. If we put a fourth round pick in we don't get this player. In essence, the 'Skins gauged correctly what the conventional thinking would be on this player and did just enough to land him. Besides, what is the real difference between the first pick in the fourth round and a mid third-rounder? This move certainly doesn't scream "Holy overpayment, Batman" when you consider how small of a reach it was from the second place bid.

I think the fact that there were so many suitors in the fourth makes Vinny look justified in using a third, not the other way around. If there were only 5th round bids, and Vinny used a third, then you could say that the Redskins badly overpaid and our "GM" would rightfully be the laughingstock of the NFL yet again.

In the end, the rest of the NFL agrees that we paid as little as we could have to land this player.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

Not necessarily.

We took this player with as late of a pick as we could have used to get him. If we put a fourth round pick in we don't get this player. In essence, the 'Skins gauged correctly what the conventional thinking would be on this player and did just enough to land him. Besides, what is the real difference between the first pick in the fourth round and a mid third-rounder? This move certainly doesn't scream "Holy overpayment, Batman" when you consider how small of a reach it was from the second place bid.

I think the fact that there were so many suitors in the fourth makes Vinny look justified in using a third, not the other way around. If there were only 5th round bids, and Vinny used a third, then you could say that the Redskins badly overpaid and our "GM" would rightfully be the laughingstock of the NFL yet again.

In the end, the rest of the NFL agrees that we paid as little as we could have to land this player.

Well said.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I have to admit, that thought was in my mind as well when Vinny explained it.. Until then, I just read this article:

NFL: The Washington Redskins hope they beat the supplemental draft odds in their selection of Jeremy Jarmon - ESPN

Many scouts agree that Jarmon probably would have been a second-round prospect next April had he played his final season for the Wildcats. He likely will be a situational player this season, learning from fellow rookie Orakpo and veteran ends Phillip Daniels and Andre Carter.

This certainly should make many fans including you to feel better.. Beside just like tenandsix:unacceptable explained, it's not llike we OVERpaid for this guy.. Although there's some irony in argument; the article explains history of supplementary drafts, which shows the supplementary draft to might be not good thing..

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.

That's not necessarily true. A bid does not always indicate how much the bidder thinks the "product" is worth. For example, suppose you think a house is worth $500,000. You know others are interested in the house, but they're unlikely to bid more than $450,000. Are you going to bid $500,000 for the house, or something like $451,000? You're going to bid $451,000 and come away thinking you "made" $49,000.

Similarly, here, for all we know, the other teams that bid on Jarmon thought he was worth a 2nd round pick, but thought no team would bid a 2nd or 3rd rounder. For all we know, some of those very interested teams wish they had bid a 3rd round pick.

By most accounts, Jarmon graded out as 2nd or 3rd round pick. So, in my view, we didn't necessarily overpay to acquire Jarmon. Did we bid more than the other teams? Sure, but that's always the case with winning bids and it doesn't really tell us whether we got robbed, or made out like bandits.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

Actually, one thing you can say about vinny's picks is that he isn't scared to go against the grain of what the nfl norm is. I don't think anyone had rinehart or tryon as 3rd & 4th rnd. picks e.g. And this year some observers thought that Glenn in the 5th was a reach. Some thought Colt was a reach even getting drafted.

That said, I don't think Vinny puts a "spin" on it per se, he tells the press that they pick guys because THEY (not other nfl teams) have them rated high.

For better or worse, vinny doesn't seem scared to make picks based on he & his scouts' research, rather than referring to whatever scouts,inc. et al have to say about where a player projects in the draft.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I disagree.
The only team to consider him a 3rd round pick was the Redskins.
31 other teams agree with me.

Don't be a sucker for Ceratto's post pick spin...that he was a 2nd round grade crap....he has to say that to justify paying more than others.

The rest of the NFL considers him a 4th round pick...we just spent more because of need....something the Skins say they don't do.
Remember...they just pick the "best player available"....considering this was a draft of one....they got him.

I hope I am wrong about this and this guy ends up a starter, I am just on the fence whether we should gamble a 3rd rounder on this particular guy.
The rest of the NFL agrees with me.

I don't have a problem giving up the 3rd rounder next year. If they like the guy then so be it. What bothers me is the way Vinny goes about hyping guys up.

[vallin21]

I still don't get why we're still debating this. Yeah Vinny does overhype players, but the kid had a 2nd round grade and not just by us. Time will tell whether he was worth it, but you at least have to give rops to the FO for adressing a weakness, and getting a guy who if not for his suspension would've been a 2-3 in 2010. So to get him almost a year early is huge. I just don't get how anyone can say this is a bad move.