Obama Care

[BleedBurgundy]

Those of you who constantly argue against the evils of "big government" need to remember that big business can be just as bad/worse. You're getting ****ed either way, just depends on who's doing the thrusting. With the federal gov't, at least there's the illusion of oversight.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Those of you who constantly argue against the evils of "big government" need to remember that big business can be just as bad/worse. You're getting ****ed either way, just depends on who's doing the thrusting. With the federal gov't, at least there's the illusion of oversight.

Illusion is an interesting choice of words there. Are you saying that perception is reality?

And now I will drop a random TJ quote..."It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Illusion is an interesting choice of words there. Are you saying that perception is reality?

And now I will drop a random TJ quote..."It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."

I'm saying that if anyone realistically believes there is any true oversight of public officials or private corporations, whether it be via 4th estate or internal mechanisms, they are kidding themselves. So yes, in this case, perception is reality. The individual is not heard by either party, corp. or gov. But with the nature of our government, there is at least hope that there could one day be transparency and that the greater good is what is being looked after, and not the bottom line. The same cannot be said for business.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I'm saying that if anyone realistically believes there is any true oversight of public officials or private corporations, whether it be via 4th estate or internal mechanisms, they are kidding themselves. So yes, in this case, perception is reality. The individual is not heard by either party, corp. or gov. But with the nature of our government, there is at least hope that there could one day be transparency and that the greater good is what is being looked after, and not the bottom line. The same cannot be said for business.

whoa, what nature is that??? politicians run for the same reason corporate execs seek the top. power. the nature of our government like every government is a self expandingg seat of power. yes we have elections, yes we can boot the bums out, but lets be realistic, what is the turnover of politicians? unless they are real bad guys, or the president, they can stay in there forever. where is the transparency for a senator Byrd, or senator strom thurmond?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

whoa, what nature is that??? politicians run for the same reason corporate execs seek the top. power. the nature of our government like every government is a self expandingg seat of power. yes we have elections, yes we can boot the bums out, but lets be realistic, what is the turnover of politicians? unless they are real bad guys, or the president, they can stay in there forever. where is the transparency for a senator Byrd, or senator strom thurmond?

Nature of democracy is what I was referring to. But I share your pessimism. The only real weapon any populace has is the threat of revolution.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Those of you who constantly argue against the evils of "big government" need to remember that big business can be just as bad/worse. You're getting ****ed either way, just depends on who's doing the thrusting. With the federal gov't, at least there's the illusion of oversight.

I was thinking of something along this lines earlier. I will probably express it wrong:

With Big Business, everyone expects the executives to be evil/greedy/selfish, this in turn leads people to require oversight, and check all the fine print.

With Big Government, people expect the politicians to be seeking the public good, and this in turn leads people to allow Government self regulation, and turning a blind eye to bureaucratic malaise.

Which one leads to a better end product, that tends to be the root of alot of debates.