Antonio Pierce facing gun charges(Burress incident)

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Thats like someone using the "I didn't know" excuse for missing a court date. At the end of the day, it was PBs responsibility to make sure everything was taken care of. He decided not to register the gun. Now he has to face the music.

Hold on, the gun was registered. The registration ws not renewed. I am not going to fault the guy for that when I am just as guilty of not renewing the tags on my car because I did not recieve the Registration renewal in the mail. Am I a bad person? Did I intentionally decide not to renew my registration? No, small things like this slip all of the time.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Angry

Hold on, the gun was registered. The registration ws not renewed. I am not going to fault the guy for that when I am just as guilty of not renewing the tags on my car because I did not recieve the Registration renewal in the mail. Am I a bad person? Did I intentionally decide not to renew my registration? No, small things like this slip all of the time.

Wait a minute Angry! Nobody said you or Burress are bad people. All I'm saying is it was HIS responsibility to register the gun. Its not the states job to make sure he got his paperwork straight.

And to your point about tags, If you get caught with dead plates, you will get a ticket. Claiming you didn't get the renewal form in the mail is a bad excuse and 100% of the time you will still get into trouble.

My facts may not be right but I was under the impression that his gun WAS registered but it was in a different state. If, in fact, the gun registation was just "expired", then I think this whole thing is a joke. If he never bothered to register his gun in the state he was currently living in, well, That was HIS decision. Now he has to live with the consequences.

[CRedskinsRule]

Yeah the point is that the registration is not transferable between states, and New York is not a state that is going to be lenient with firearms, regardless of who you are.

As for Pierce: If he is indicted will Goodell be forced to suspend him? Can he do it before week 1? I would be ok with that.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yeah the point is that the registration is not transferable between states, and New York is not a state that is going to be lenient with firearms, regardless of who you are.

Exactly. An amendment to federal law was shot down just last week that would have allowed reciprocity between states for carry-permits.

Also, Robert Morgenthau does not need this case to make a name for himself.


Here are just a few of his convictions, that Make Plax look like small fry:

Notable Cases (From Wiki)

• Mark David Chapman (1981): Chapman plead guilty to killing John Lennon
• Bernie Goetz, the "Subway Vigilante" (1987): Charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment and several gun law violations after he shot four men who were trying to rob him in 1984.
• Robert Chambers, the "Preppie Killer" (1988): After confessing to killing an 18-year-old girl, Chambers was convicted of manslaughter and served 15 years in prison.
• Central Park Jogger (1989): Five teenage suspects were convicted of assaulting and raping a woman in Central Park. The convictions were later vacated in 2002 when another man said he attacked the victim.
• BCCI (1991): The fraud investigation revealed that the bank laundered money for criminal enterprises. Morgenthau claimed jurisdiction because millions of the laundered dollars flowed through Manhattan. Ultimately, the bank was seized by international regulators, and its liquidators pleaded guilty to all charges and forfeited all of the bank's American assets.
• Sante and Kenny Kimes (2000): Mom-and-son grifters convicted of murder.
• Dennis Kozlowski and Mark Swartz (2005): The top two executives of Tyco were found guilty of stealing more than $150 million from the company they had been entrusted to manage.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Wait a minute Angry! Nobody said you or Burress are bad people. All I'm saying is it was HIS responsibility to register the gun. Its not the states job to make sure he got his paperwork straight.

And to your point about tags, If you get caught with dead plates, you will get a ticket. Claiming you didn't get the renewal form in the mail is a bad excuse and 100% of the time you will still get into trouble.

My facts may not be right but I was under the impression that his gun WAS registered but it was in a different state. If, in fact, the gun registation was just "expired", then I think this whole thing is a joke. If he never bothered to register his gun in the state he was currently living in, well, That was HIS decision. Now he has to live with the consequences.

You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Angry

You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.

See, we are on the same page in that regard. The prison thing is more about a deterent(SP?) for others than a punishment for PB. PB is a big name and they want to use him as an example to show how tough they are on gun crimes. Whether or not he deserves Jail time is not for me to say but I do think he has to face the consequences of his decision to caryy the gun that night.

[JLee9718]

Somebody mentioned Steve Czaban...I know this is the wrong thread, but how can ESPN 980 fire Brian Mitchell and keep Czaban? I just don't understand...(Dan Snyder bought the station, and Mitchell had a verbal fight with Portis last year).

[Coff]

Gun charge or not, you can be sure Roger Goodell will come down hard on him in his typical fashion....he might even give him a stern lecture.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Angry

You are correct I would have still gotten a ticket or had to pay a fine, but they would not even have considered throwing my ass in jail for even one night, much less three years. I understand the strict gun laws thing in NYC...I do. Here is my problem why are they trying to thow the man under the bus when there was no ill intent. There was no pre meditated crime. He ended up shooting himself. I guarentee you that he learned from this mess and he will not do it again. It is not going to take three years in a prison to punish him for this, he punished himself already.

Now I have a lot of questions but here's my take of what you guys are trying to say....

PB purchased a gun legally in NY.
He lives in NJ.
Never registered it in NJ.
Carried firearm across state lines.
Fired his gun in a no shooting zone (probably) in a crouded bar.
Injured himself.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now I have a lot of questions but here's my take of what you guys are trying to say....

PB purchased a gun legally in NY.
He lives in NJ.
Never registered it in NJ.
Carried firearm across state lines.
Fired his gun in a no shooting zone (probably) in a crouded bar.
Injured himself.

Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)

Well said , nice post and to PB...................by-by!He's an ASS!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually I think he bought and registered it in Florida
Moved to NJ
Never registered it in NJ
Let the Florida registration expire
Carried it across State Lines into NY
Shot himself in the leg (literally and figuratively)
Tried to go to a hospital under an assumed name
Most likely doing time in NY under his real name.

He could have prevented it in several ways at several points along the way.

(note, not really passing judgement on any part except the shooting itself, since I think he should have been allowed to have the gun but if you shoot it off in a club, well thats just plain dumb.)

Thank You. If he didn't renew it then it's unregistered. Then never registered it in NY or where ever he was living. Took his PPD(personal protective device.LOL) out to the club and fired it off (accidentally) putting other people at risk. I don't see how a resonable person defends that.

unlicensed
fired it off
injured someone(himself)

He would pay a price in any state. Not to mention he probably had concealed it with out a permit for that state (NY).

[Giantone]

As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.

I somewhat agree with you. PB should have been loaded into an ambulance and taken to the hospital. AP should have stayed at the scene and spoke with the police and handed it over to them. Whichever came first.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

As for AP the feeling is regardless of what the DA says,

1)After the gun went off ...saw to the welfare of his friend.
No crime.
2)picked up the gun,smart ...no but do you really want to leave a gun lying around a crowded bar?...not a crime.
3) took said friend to hospital...for medical attention,no crime

4) ......as soon as police asked about ..said gun turned it over and answerd every question. no crime


...............feeling is the DA is only squeezing AP to get Burress to testify.

Not really sure, and I like AP so I hope he didn't, but
on #3, they went in under a concealed name - possible obstruction of justice or fraud

4) not sure of the law, but he was in possession of an unregistered gun, and it was not his, and it had been fired. At the least dumb possibly a crime. If someone tries to hand me a gun that i know was just fired in a crowded bar. Sorry think I gotta pass.

and 5) attempted to conceal the gun. Nice spin that as soon as he was asked. But it still was concealing evidence.
I hope AP doesn't get the hammer, and really that he takes a minor plea and lets PB deal with his own stupidity. But we will see.