Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals

[Giantone]

Eli got the going market rate for winning super bowl QB's.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Eli got the going market rate for winning super bowl QB's.

Such as Trent Dilfer's walking papers, and Brad Johnson's mythical contract extension.

Oh, you meant Brady/Peyton/Roethlisberger. Well, there's a fun game of "which one of these isn't like the others."

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.

But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.

He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.

The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip. It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.

You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Angry

The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip. It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.

You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.

My daily Redskins desk calendar today actually says that is the greatest play in SB history. Serious.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Angry

The greatest play in SB History was 70 Chip. It has just been overshadowed by the ballerina escape and circus catch which were more recently executed.

You cannot tell me that a play that goes for a touchdown is less spectacular than a play merely set up one.

You're right. It is. I said Eli's play was "possibly" the greatest. I guess it's debatable (not amongst Skins fans though).

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You're right. It is. I said Eli's play was "possibly" the greatest. I guess it's debatable (not amongst Skins fans though).

Now that we have gotten that cleared up. Who cares what Eli got? It's more money against their cap number. I wish that they would have given him even more now that I think about it.

[FRPLG]

Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.

Eli didn't crumble under pressure like Romo does, either. He's gotten it done when it counts and not every middle-of-the-road qb can do that.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he . But that's just me I guess.

The argument is what I posted in #154 but yes he did win their super bowl,he was the only Giant QB to take a snap and has the MVP trophy to prove it.

[warriorzpath]

I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.

I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.

Is there still any doubt about this? If there is, I think it will be cleared up soon enough.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:

One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.

I'll buy this argument; that makes sense to me. I can also add that I think Haynesworth may be the absolute best overall defensive player in the league in terms of impact on the game.

[freddyg12]

Sorry if this is in the thread at an earlier post (I only read a few pages), how does everyone think this will impact JC's contract talks if he has a good year & we get to the playoffs?

I don't see JC getting as much, but I think JC is about on par w/Manning at this point but has more upside due to his running ability.

[mrreddman]

Question?...Does anyone think that Eli is even a top 50 player in the league? Yet he is paid like the top dog! His jacked up contract is only gonna hurt us when JC out performs his ass this year and gets a big contract.