Eli Manning's 6-Year, $97.5 Million Extension One of NFL's Biggest Deals

[MTK]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Eli has the worst completion percentage in the NFC East.

But he's got the only ring.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But he's got the only ring.

I'm tired of this argument. He didn't win them the SB himself. They won in spite of him. A good QB goes a long way towards winning SBs (emphasis on the s). One SB win does not a great QB make. If he leads his team to a SB this year (LEADS) then I'll be convinced. Otherwise I've spent however many years watching him be average with flashes of good.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'm tired of this argument. He didn't win them the SB himself. They won in spite of him. A good QB goes a long way towards winning SBs (emphasis on the s). One SB win does not a great QB make. If he leads his team to a SB this year (LEADS) then I'll be convinced. Otherwise I've spent however many years watching him be average with flashes of good.

You may be tired of it but tell me it's not a HUGE reason why he received the contract that he did.

At the end of the day when people want to keep tossing out these stats about how bad he is, the one thing that trumps all is that ring.

Saying they won in spite of him just rings of "hater" to me. Of course he didn't win it all by himself, but he played a big role down the stretch in the playoffs and SB.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You may be tired of it but tell me it's not a HUGE reason why he received the contract that he did.

At the end of the day when people want to keep tossing out these stats about how bad he is, the one thing that trumps all is that ring.

Saying they won in spite of him just rings of "hater" to me. Of course he didn't win it all by himself, but he played a big role down the stretch in the playoffs and SB.

True true true.

I am not an Eli fan and I like to trot out his poor stats as much as anyone. But the point of the stats is to win and Eli has shown he can do that. The question every qb faces is, "Can he win a Super Bowl?" and Eli has already answered that in the affirmative. No one else in the division knows that about their qb.

Let me put this differently - the G-men know that Eli is not a world beater but they also know that, with him under center, they have a chance to win it all. Armed with this knowledge, they would have been quite foolish not to pay Eli and start all over again at qb from scratch.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

True true true.

I am not an Eli fan and I like to trot out his poor stats as much as anyone. But the point of the stats is to win and Eli has shown he can do that. The question every qb faces is, "Can he win a Super Bowl?" and Eli has already answered that in the affirmative. No one else in the division knows that about their qb.

Let me put this differently - the G-men know that Eli is not a world beater but they also know that, with him under center, they have a chance to win it all. Armed with this knowledge, they would have been quite foolish not to pay Eli and start all over again at qb from scratch.

To this point in bold, would anyone today know or care about who Mark Rypien was if it wasn't for that '91 season?

People may get tired of the ring argument, but it's the one thing that people will remember above all else. 20 years from now are people gonna be saying "yeah but Eli's completion % was only 55%". F no.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

To this point in bold, would anyone today know or care about who Mark Rypien was if it wasn't for that '91 season?

People may get tired of the ring argument, but it's the one thing that people will remember above all else. 20 years from now are people gonna be saying "yeah but Eli's completion % was only 55%". F no.

There are some SB victories where we do admit the team did not have a star QB. Teams with Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien (although he was amazing that season), Rich Gannon, Jeff Hostetler, maybe even Jim McMahon.

Eli falls into THAT group, not the list containing Montana, Favre, Elway, Steve Young and Terry Bradshaw.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

There are some SB victories where we do admit the team did not have a star QB. Teams with Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien (although he was amazing that season), Rich Gannon, Jeff Hostetler, maybe even Jim McMahon.

Eli falls into THAT group, not the list containing Montana, Favre, Elway, Steve Young and Terry Bradshaw.

I'd say he falls in the middle somewhere. He's certainly not in the Dilfer category.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

To this point in bold, would anyone today know or care about who Mark Rypien was if it wasn't for that '91 season?

People may get tired of the ring argument, but it's the one thing that people will remember above all else. 20 years from now are people gonna be saying "yeah but Eli's completion % was only 55%". F no.

I think we're getting away from the main point here which is: if Mark Rypien's agent was negotiating with the Skins for some obscene amount of guaranteed money, all payable the next day (say, $18 million to throw out a 1992 contract figure), he's getting laughed out of the room.

I mean, look what happened to Rypien's career following that super bowl. From the day after the super bowl on, Rypien might as well been any other guy.

Manning's future isn't quite that grim, as he should be an average to above average 10-15 range passer for the next five years, but at which point does the amount of money you are asking for get you laughed out of the room?

When you compare it to the fact that the Redskins won't even negotiate with Campbell for comprable performance, what you have is two organizations at the complete opposite end of the ridiculous spectrum. And in the middle, you have Tony Romo on a very team-friendly $9 million a year contract, and Donovan McNabb on a relatively short term deal getting paid like a franchise quarterback. Certainly, in this case, the Cowboys and Eagles have it right while the Giants and Redskins have it wrong.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think we're getting away from the main point here which is: if Mark Rypien's agent was negotiating with the Skins for some obscene amount of guaranteed money, all payable the next day (say, $18 million to throw out a 1992 contract figure), he's getting laughed out of the room.

I mean, look what happened to Rypien's career following that super bowl. From the day after the super bowl on, Rypien might as well been any other guy.

Manning's future isn't quite that grim, as he should be an average to above average 10-15 range passer for the next five years, but at which point does the amount of money you are asking for get you laughed out of the room?

When you compare it to the fact that the Redskins won't even negotiate with Campbell for comprable performance, what you have is two organizations at the complete opposite end of the ridiculous spectrum. And in the middle, you have Tony Romo on a very team-friendly $9 million a year contract, and Donovan McNabb on a relatively short term deal getting paid like a franchise quarterback. Certainly, in this case, the Cowboys and Eagles have it right while the Giants and Redskins have it wrong.

Only caveat to that is that the Giants have a ring with their current QB, none of the aforementioned teams do. But your point is well taken though. I just wanted to point out that the Giants do have some hardware to show for it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

. Certainly, in this case, the Cowboys and Eagles have it right while the Giants and Redskins have it wrong.

Oh really???How many super bowl rings do McNabb and Romo have?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You may be tired of it but tell me it's not a HUGE reason why he received the contract that he did.

At the end of the day when people want to keep tossing out these stats about how bad he is, the one thing that trumps all is that ring.

Saying they won in spite of him just rings of "hater" to me. Of course he didn't win it all by himself, but he played a big role down the stretch in the playoffs and SB.

That ring isn't HIS ring. Their team won it. I agree it is a reason he got the contract. It isn't a good reason. Or even close to a good reason. They're rewarding him for be able to not lose the SB for them. Not for helping them win it in my opinion.

I'll go this far...absent their continued luck in putting together the best DL in the league they'll never win a SB with Eli at QB again.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

That ring isn't HIS ring. Their team won it. I agree it is a reason he got the contract. It isn't a good reason. Or even close to a good reason. They're rewarding him for be able to not lose the SB for them. Not for helping them win it in my opinion.

I'll go this far...absent their continued luck in putting together the best DL in the league they'll never win a SB with Eli at QB again.

Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm well aware that it's a team sport. Still, he's a part of that team and had just as much to do with winning it as anyone else.

You can't even give Eli credit for being a SB winner it seems.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm well aware that it's a team sport. Still, he's a part of that team and had just as much to do with winning it as anyone else.

You can't even give Eli credit for being a SB winner it seems.

So was David Tyree. What did he get for helping them win the SB? He got cut.

Being on a SB roster does not make you a great player.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

So was David Tyree. What did he get for helping them win the SB? He got cut.

Being on a SB roster does not make you a great player.

You certainly can't be putting Tyree and Manning in the same category of player.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm well aware that it's a team sport. Still, he's a part of that team and had just as much to do with winning it as anyone else.

You can't even give Eli credit for being a SB winner it seems.

I give him credit but I contend it is irrelevant in this case. Players should get paid for their abilities to help their team win. I don't think he helps his team win more than average. He certainly isn't a top 5 QB in the NFL. There are dozens of players on that team that won a ring...should they all get paid more than everyone else in the league relative to their position? Of course not.