The Dallas Cowboys are Awful

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However, I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense. Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game. I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.

why?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

why?

I'll second that question. A few years back (07) Gibbs wanted to win in preseason because the team's previous season was so downhill from preseason to game 16. This team won some tough games last year, the team doesn't need a psychological boost of winning a meaningless game. What the offense needs is time to gel, but I don't think Zorn cares about the final outcome that much if he sees some improvement.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However, I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense. Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game. I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.

No offense, but didn't they try and do that twice this off season already? Tried to get Cutler and Sanchez, right?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right. That's what I was saying.

[Beemnseven]

There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.

I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.

If Jones stays healthy he will be an exceptional threat. That said, he had a hurt toe, which for a runner can be difficult. Their O-line is barely the caliber of ours, let alone the Giants. They have an aging false start prone left tackle, the interior is ok, but aging, and their RT is average, with only one decent looking backup in Doug Free. Romo certainly will be more vulnerable. Appears he's learned how to hold on to the ball better though .

They still suck.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.

Yes, they do have three talented backs. But neither Barber nor Jones have been true feature backs, either in the pros or in college. And Jones especially is injury prone. IMHO Choice is the only complete back on their roster. So they are a bit less than a true three-headed beast.

The folks up front for them, presumably opening the holes, are also aged and injury prone. We'll have to see but it is possible that none of those backs runs very far behind that line.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, they do have three talented backs. But neither Barber nor Jones have been true feature backs, either in the pros or in college. And Jones especially is injury prone. IMHO Choice is the only complete back on their roster. So they are a bit less than a true three-headed beast.

The folks up front for them, presumably opening the holes, are also aged and injury prone. We'll have to see but it is possible that none of those backs runs very far behind that line.

I can't think of any team off hand that has 3 backs of that caliber. Choice is an avg. nfl back, but he could be at least a #2 on many teams if not start for a few. Jones & Barber are both really good. I don't recall Jones being hurt much in college, just last year. He's a guy that has breakaway speed & ability, got to keep an eye on him at all times. He will be particularly dangerous in the flats on screens, drop offs.

Barber was their feature back last year. It wasn't his fault the team fell off. He had a good year & always plays hard, runs, blocks, recieves.

Their line has been really good the last couple years, but the only thing I agree w/you on is that this year they might see serious drop off. They're getting older & slower. Run blocking is their strong suit though, and if healthy they should be able to do that. I look for their pass pro to be an issue.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.

Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams?

For the record

The Lions received the Cowboys' 2009 first-round pick, a third-round pick and sixth-round pick. The Cowboys get Detroit's 2009 seventh-round pick in the Williams trade.

So in essence, Dallas traded a first and a third for Williams.
And they traded thier 6th round pick in exchange for Detroits 7th round pick.

Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams?

For the record

The Lions received the Cowboys' 2009 first-round pick, a third-round pick and sixth-round pick. The Cowboys get Detroit's 2009 seventh-round pick in the Williams trade.

So in essence, Dallas traded a first and a third for Williams.
And they traded thier 6th round pick in exchange for Detroits 7th round pick.

Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.

Probably thinking back to the stellar Joey Galloway trade a few years back.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams?

For the record

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Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.

They still overpaid.

[DIRTEE]

Do teams actually double cover Roy Williams?

[htownskinfan]

Just watched 1st half of cowboys,didnt see them last week,but I know they scored.If they are awful,then i dont know what we are.They look like a well oiled machine and Romo looks like robo qb.He just took his team 80 yrds in 42 seconds to score.Please,please JC have a good game this week

[JWsleep]

Yeah, disgusting though it is, they looked pretty good. I agree that the health and age of the o-line is the key for them.

But the roids have started strong a bunch of times now, and fade either late or in the playoffs. Will the line and Romo still be a "well-oiled machine" then?

Titans looked like the miss big Al. All those "all-pros" on that D may have benefited a bit from the big man in the middle. For the record, I do think they're a good D--Fisher always puts a tough group out there. But they're going to have to adjust, no doubt.