Zorn calls team "Soft"

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

You sure did, the presser. For your reading pleasure.

They did play soft as Zorn stated (and all watched) and he's spot on! Or the score board would not have been 23-0.

As Backups Struggle, Questions On Depth Arise

Didn't see the presser or check the Skins site for that quote, thanks. However, I think folks are reading way too much into the first pre-season game and the "soft" comment, which IMO was directed toward hesitant play of backups due to being unsure of the scheme or player responsibility rather than "being soft".

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Didn't see the presser or check the Skins site for that quote, thanks. However, I think folks are reading way too much into the first pre-season game and the "soft" comment, which IMO was directed toward hesitant play of backups due to being unsure of the scheme or player responsibility rather than "being soft".

I agree. PFT took an ordinary comment and tried to make it sound absolutely ominous and others here have done the same.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Didn't see the presser or check the Skins site for that quote, thanks. However, I think folks are reading way too much into the first pre-season game and the "soft" comment, which IMO was directed toward hesitant play of backups due to being unsure of the scheme or player responsibility rather than "being soft".

I disagree. Even if your lost in the scheme or player responsibilty, go out there and knock someone down. Ravens ROOKIE Oher, in his first NFL game pancaked a few of our veterans. Our backups that have been on the team for a couple of years did not. Being physical is a combination of skill, confidance and desire. Our backups lack the last two.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Baltimore's training camp is a pretty intense camp w/ lots of hitting. The skins camp is a pretty relaxed one compared to many around the league. I don't know which is better, i think it depends on the team. Our's might be better as intense.

There's a trade-off. It's softness vs. injuries. If you look at the Ravens camp they lost their starting RT and their 4th WR for the year. They also have had a lot of other injuries, like D Mason and Cousins and Suggs, and I'm sure more but I don't follow the Ravens that closely. Hopefully Zorn and the team will amp themselves up more for the next game and stay injury free.

[shack]

Is Bill Cowher available? We need a leader of men, not a coordinator. Nobody got cut today after that shit-fest last night, and that's disappointing. Softness and toughness starts at the top. There's plenty of talent on the Skins roster, right now we're just not a unit.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by shack

Is Bill Cowher available? We need a leader of men, not a coordinator. Nobody got cut today after that shit-fest last night, and that's disappointing. Softness and toughness starts at the top. There's plenty of talent on the Skins roster, right now we're just not a unit.

Just throwing that out as bait?

Zorn is our coach this season. No one else need apply.

[SBXVII]

Although I like Zorn here was my take....

Softness starts at the top as someone else said. Again I was not impressed with Zorn's play calling or schemeing. Wait I should preface by saying I know they supposedly don't scheme for preseason but they should start. Going into a game blind and hoping everything will work out is BS. Schemeing gives the coaches a chance to practice as well, it puts the team in a best situation to win, and they can pick the players they want to use on certain plays. The play calling from starters on down sucked.

I know Gibbs was all about not showing his hand as far as plays go and would be vanilla during preseason, then it would take 2-3 games for the team learn the plays Gibbs kept secret and work as a team. Other teams come out and play their game, use their plays in the playbook and the Skins don't. The plays other teams are using are good plays and the teams are saying this is us try and stop us knowing full well teams will have a hard time stopping them. Campbell and Zorn admitted they had only 50 plays last yr which by mid season I'm sure other teams figured out what we were doing. Supposedly according to Campbell we now have 130 plus.....where are they? I saw the same BS plays....screens, and 5-10 yrd passes. Especially when we needed 12-15 yrds.

Campbell had all day to throw, sometimes 5-7 seconds and no one to throw to? Who's coaching the WR's. On that note who's coaching the TE's and teaching ball controll? Ball controll is a fundamental skill.....someone forget to get back to basics in camp?

Our running game was our strong suit last yr and I was not impressed with any of the runs in the 1st preseason game. The blocking has got to get better or our passing will need to step up and be the staple of the team which we have not seen yet.

Defensively I'm not worried. I'm not sure what Blache was doing but game planning and schemeing was not there and of course AH will make a difference as well as Orakpo. It was painfully obvious they were letting certain players stay out for extended periods to experience but they look tired and needed to rest periodically. The defense got walked on in the 3rd and 4th quarter cause the same players stayed out there for the most part and the offense again went 3 and out quicker then a lightening strike.

I know it was preseason I'm just not impressed from the top down. Yet again.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Although I like Zorn here was my take....

Softness starts at the top as someone else said. Again I was not impressed with Zorn's play calling or schemeing. Wait I should preface by saying I know they supposedly don't scheme for preseason but they should start. Going into a game blind and hoping everything will work out is BS. Schemeing gives the coaches a chance to practice as well, it puts the team in a best situation to win, and they can pick the players they want to use on certain plays. The play calling from starters on down sucked.

I know Gibbs was all about not showing his hand as far as plays go and would be vanilla during preseason, then it would take 2-3 games for the team learn the plays Gibbs kept secret and work as a team. Other teams come out and play their game, use their plays in the playbook and the Skins don't. The plays other teams are using are good plays and the teams are saying this is us try and stop us knowing full well teams will have a hard time stopping them. Campbell and Zorn admitted they had only 50 plays last yr which by mid season I'm sure other teams figured out what we were doing. Supposedly according to Campbell we now have 130 plus.....where are they? I saw the same BS plays....screens, and 5-10 yrd passes. Especially when we needed 12-15 yrds.

Campbell had all day to throw, sometimes 5-7 seconds and no one to throw to? Who's coaching the WR's. On that note who's coaching the TE's and teaching ball controll? Ball controll is a fundamental skill.....someone forget to get back to basics in camp?

Our running game was our strong suit last yr and I was not impressed with any of the runs in the 1st preseason game. The blocking has got to get better or our passing will need to step up and be the staple of the team which we have not seen yet.

Defensively I'm not worried. I'm not sure what Blache was doing but game planning and schemeing was not there and of course AH will make a difference as well as Orakpo. It was painfully obvious they were letting certain players stay out for extended periods to experience but they look tired and needed to rest periodically. The defense got walked on in the 3rd and 4th quarter cause the same players stayed out there for the most part and the offense again went 3 and out quicker then a lightening strike.

I know it was preseason I'm just not impressed from the top down. Yet again.

and this completes the trifecta

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

and this completes the trifecta

Nice to see you could add to the discussion. Thanks. come again next week.

[Westover]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Nice to see you could add to the discussion. Thanks. come again next week.

Affirming someone's post is adding to the discussion. That is part of what a discussion is. Making a senseless criticism of a fellow board member, on the other hand, is not what I call adding to the discussion.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Westover

Affirming someone's post is adding to the discussion. That is part of what a discussion is. Making a senseless criticism of a fellow board member, on the other hand, is not what I call adding to the discussion.

I'm sorry I must have missed the "affirmation" when he wrote ...

"and this completes the trifecta."

Since it does not appear he's "affirming" anything I wrote I presume it is some sort of sarcastic joke that I didn't get, but it makes me happy someone understood it Keep on "Affirming."

[skinsfaninok]

Bill Cowher was a good coach but he only won one SB in like 16 years!! If you give Zorn 16 yrs who know's what he could do. And Cowher coached in a Historically Awful division...

[Sonny9TD]

Let's see how next game goes and see if they pick it up

[warriorzpath]

I'm torn on what Zorn did (because I want to like him - being, he IS the redskins head coach). If he did this to motivate his team, then I'm all for it. But I think it was wrong for him to call out his players (in the media) if he was just saying what was on his mind.

Personally, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt - but he's been known to be candid when it comes to talking to the media.

And for those that want to downplay Zorn calling his players "soft" (assuming it is his true opinion and not a motivation tactic) - it does start with the head coach first. Some of the responsibility should be put on the player to be aggressive and be ready to play, but when the lack of energy or readiness to play involves several players - then the majority of that blame and responsibility should fall on the head coach - whether it be "soft" practices or a lack of motivation from Zorn.

[firstdown]

Not sure why the team played so bad on Thursday night but after a game like that its a good chance to see how the coach will respond and get the team playing like it should. I really don't care after 1 preseason game but if they do not show improvement then I'll start to show the concerns.