Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone look up what we did in lasy yrs preseason? From what I think i remember the first team got shutout in the last 2 games when we were actually trying.There was naturally a lot of panic,on the other side the kool aid drinkers said be cool,its only preseason.Well we see what happened,off struggled to score points,and it looks like the same trend.I'm just hoping looks are deceiving.It was just the first game,but if this trend continues thru the preseason then I think we will have our answer.

We scored only 3 points in each of the last two games. And then we scored only 7 in the opener against the Giants...but then we scored 29, 24, 26, 23. So what's your point?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We scored only 3 points in each of the last two games. And then we scored only 7 in the opener against the Giants...but then we scored 29, 24, 26, 23. So what's your point?

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

I wondered the same. Thats when things began to slide.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

Clearly we need to score more points on a more consistent basis. Even "kool aid drinkers" will tell you that.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Clearly we need to score more points on a more consistent basis. Even "kool aid drinkers" will tell you that.

I knew the kool aid comment would get a reaction,lol

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

So basically you are writing off the whole season based on 10 offensive plays by the starters(minus portis and moss)? Have some patience my friend, its was only 10 plays. Come back with that argument after 2 more games and maybe it would be relevant.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

So basically you are writing off the whole season based on 10 offensive plays by the starters(minus portis and moss)? Have some patience my friend, its was only 10 plays. Come back with that argument after 2 more games and maybe it would be relevant.

Look, if we don't dominate, on both sides of the line, one of our first 3 opponents (NYG, STL, DET) then the "Kool-aid buzz" will be gone.

But for preseason, and I mean all 4 games, I don't want the coaches worrying about running up the score, I want them to evaluate the 2s against the opponents 1s, the 3s against the opponents 2s, but guess what, that means more often than not, we will lose the game.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

So basically you are writing off the whole season based on 10 offensive plays by the starters(minus portis and moss)? Have some patience my friend, its was only 10 plays. Come back with that argument after 2 more games and maybe it would be relevant.

no,thats not at all what I was saying.Where do I say that? Last yr we had trouble scoring,trend continues so far this preseason.I said if that same trend continues throughout this preseason then i think it will carry over to reg season,in no way shape or form did i imply this season was lost on this game

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

no,thats not at all what I was saying.Where do I say that? Last yr we had trouble scoring,trend continues so far this preseason.I said if that same trend continues throughout this preseason then i think it will carry over to reg season,in no way shape or form did i imply this season was lost on this game

I fail to see how 10 plays are a "trend". Thats why I said come back after a couple of more games with that argument. It just seems you are jumping the gun here.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

no,thats not at all what I was saying.Where do I say that? Last yr we had trouble scoring,trend continues so far this preseason.I said if that same trend continues throughout this preseason then i think it will carry over to reg season,in no way shape or form did i imply this season was lost on this game

So, if I understand you right, your concern is that the first preseason game is a continuation of the struggles we ended the previous year with. And you're thinking what in the world have we been doing all off-season and mini-camp and OTAs and training camp if we're no better? And I can understand that frustration. What I thought you were saying, and maybe you are, was that last preseason's offensive struggles led right into the same during the regular season. And that wasn't really the case because we got off to a pretty strong start

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So, if I understand you right, your concern is that the first preseason game is a continuation of the struggles we ended the previous year with. And you're thinking what in the world have we been doing all off-season and mini-camp and OTAs and training camp if we're no better? And I can understand that frustration. What I thought you were saying, and maybe you are, was that last preseason's offensive struggles led right into the same during the regular season. And that wasn't really the case because we got off to a pretty strong start

yes,you understand me right.And I do believe last yrs preseason struggles led into reg season.First game we scored 7 points,then we played one of the leagues worst defs and had our best off output and had a decent 4 game stretch.After that points were very hard to come by.4 games out of 16.I would say those 4 games were anamoly,and most of the time we looked like we did in preseason.But thats just my opinion,you obviously have a different opinion,and thats fine,thats what the board is here for.

All I was trying to say was last preseason{after lack of scoring points} half the board was freaking out,the other half said it was gonna be cool,that its too early to tell yet either way,but if are scoring troubles continue thru preseason then were probably in big trouble
(unless of course our def is kick ass and holds opponents to under 14 points a game}

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

I think he stopped because he had proved that not scoring in pre-season does not equal not scoring in regular season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

whyd you stop there? my point was we struggled to score points.We didnt score over 20 points in a game again till the last game of the season(unless you count dtroit,we scored 25,but moss scored on a punt return,not the off}
so over the last 11 games we averaged 14 points a game,thats my point.

I guess it's okay to not count the Detroit game for PPG purposes, but in the 15 OTHER GAMES WHERE NO ONE BUT THE OFFENSE SCORED this is apparently not a factor.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I guess it's okay to not count the Detroit game for PPG purposes, but in the 15 OTHER GAMES WHERE NO ONE BUT THE OFFENSE SCORED this is apparently not a factor.

youve lost me,I dont know what your point is? I didnt check the first 5 games because thats where he ended.I was trying to make the point we had trouble scoring last yr,I think everyone would agree with that.We def did a better job 4 out of the 5 first games than the rest of the season.27 other teams scored more points than us last yr.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

youve lost me,I dont know what your point is? I didnt check the first 5 games because thats where he ended.I was trying to make the point we had trouble scoring last yr,I think everyone would agree with that.We def did a better job 4 out of the 5 first games than the rest of the season.27 other teams scored more points than us last yr.

Point is, you're using PPG, which includes all the defensive TDs/special teams TDs other teams get in it. If Asante Samuel intercepts a ball, and returns it for 6 points, the Eagles "offensive PPG" goes up 6-7 points. But their offense never stepped on the field!

Teams can expect roughly 3-5 TDs from sources outside of their offense per year. Some teams will get more, others less. Your claim that the Redskins did not score 20 points but two times after week 5 is correct, but I took exception to the fact that you pointed out that the Redskins offense did not produce 20 points against Detroit without the help of its' special teams. The problem: is that if our defense and special teams had been less pathetic in this aspect, we could have scored 20 points in more than half our games without a single additional point from the offense.

In trying to disqualify one of the six games we did break the 20 point threshold (which is an arbitrary cutoff with no meaning, but thats a different debate), you implied that we were reliant on defense/special teams to reach our scoring levels. That couldn't have been more incorrect, which is why I corrected you.

And yes, I am a nitpicky little biaotch.