The Dallas Cowboys are Awful

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I would say the biggest loss was Chris Canty who went on to get a 50m contract from the G-men.

Dallas could not afford to keep Canty while they are trying to negotiate the contract extension for DeMarcus Ware.

They signed Igor Olashansky in the off-season. They see him as a "cheaper" version of Canty, and they signed him for much less than Canty was looking for.

LOST:
Chris Canty
Ter Owens
Greg Ellis
Horsecollar Williams
Brad Johnson
Anthony Henry

GAINED:
Jon Kitna
Igor Olshansky
*Nobody else of significance*


KEPT:
Wade Phillips


Nothing but downgrades. No great #1 WR, no clear #1 RB (this is why they're a RRBC), a QB with a track record of choking, aging O-line, very questionable secondary. Their only real strengths are LBs and possibly D-line...but they're still weaker than the Skins and Giants in these departments.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Buster

LOST:
Chris Canty
Ter Owens
Greg Ellis
Horsecollar Williams
Brad Johnson
Anthony Henry

GAINED:
Jon Kitna
Igor Olshansky
*Nobody else of significance*


KEPT:
Wade Phillips


Nothing but downgrades. No great #1 WR, no clear #1 RB (this is why they're a RRBC), a QB with a track record of choking, aging O-line, very questionable secondary. Their only real strengths are LBs and possibly D-line...but they're still weaker than the Skins and Giants in these departments.

Chris Canty - Tough to replace, but wanted too much money when signing Ware long term is a priority. If you cant have both, who would you rather keep? Ware or Canty?

Ter Owens - mouth, attitude yes, but put up 1000+ yard and double digit TD's each year he was there. We'll see how this one works out.

Greg Ellis - cry baby veteran who was very long in the tooth who's replacement was drafted 2 years ago (Spencer).

Horsecollar Williams - Liability in coverage. Sensabaugh takes his place, this is a huge upgrade in the secondary.

Brad Johnson - spaghetti arms, good riddance

Anthony Henry - injured each of the past 3 years, not getting any younger. Scandrick and Jenkins showed they are starting material and made Henry expendable.

GAINED:
Jon Kitna - Dont laugh, but he is an upgrade over Johnson. Much better arm strength. And he was QB in Detroit when Roy Williams went to the pro bowl.

Igor Olshansky - cheaper version of Canty. Not as good, but cheaper. Compare his stats and Canty's over the last 3 years. Almost identical in every category. Difference being Olshansky played in a weak division and Canty in the strongest in the league. And he (Olshansky) was drafted by Wade Phillips in San Diego. So there is some famialiarity there.

*Nobody else of significance*

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Chris Canty - Tough to replace, but wanted too much money when signing Ware long term is a priority. If you cant have both, who would you rather keep? Ware or Canty?

Ter Owens - mouth, attitude yes, but put up 1000+ yard and double digit TD's each year he was there. We'll see how this one works out.

Greg Ellis - cry baby veteran who was very long in the tooth who's replacement was drafted 2 years ago (Spencer).

Horsecollar Williams - Liability in coverage. Sensabaugh takes his place, this is a huge upgrade in the secondary.

Brad Johnson - spaghetti arms, good riddance

Anthony Henry - injured each of the past 3 years, not getting any younger. Scandrick and Jenkins showed they are starting material and made Henry expendable.

GAINED:
Jon Kitna - Dont laugh, but he is an upgrade over Johnson. Much better arm strength. And he was QB in Detroit when Roy Williams went to the pro bowl.

Igor Olshansky - cheaper version of Canty. Not as good, but cheaper. Compare his stats and Canty's over the last 3 years. Almost identical in every category. Difference being Olshansky played in a weak division and Canty in the strongest in the league. And he (Olshansky) was drafted by Wade Phillips in San Diego. So there is some famialiarity there.

*Nobody else of significance*

Don't laugh, Kitna is an upgrade over Romo the fumble-a-saurus.'

Nice to see you at least admit that your team opened up a lot of positional holes in the offseason, upgraded MAYBE one (backup QB) and did not even fill most of them.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Don't laugh, Kitna is an upgrade over Romo the fumble-a-saurus.'

Nice to see you at least admit that your team opened up a lot of positional holes in the offseason, upgraded MAYBE one (backup QB) and did not even fill most of them.

You really should not even mention "personnel depth" considering the performance of the Redskins in thier preseason opener.

Three Baltimore QB's combine for 399 yards passing. The Baltmore offense puts up "half-a-century" (500 yards) in total offense.

The Redskins offense did not fair much better. The 'Skins offense did not drive any further than the Ravens 30 the whole game. And 9 of thier 12 drives never made it past the 50 yard line.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You really should not even mention "personnel depth" considering the performance of the Redskins in thier preseason opener.

Three Baltimore QB's combine for 399 yards passing. The Baltmore offense puts up "half-a-century" (500 yards) in total offense.

The Redskins offense did not fair much better. The 'Skins offense did not drive any further than the Ravens 30 the whole game. And 9 of thier 12 drives never made it past the 50 yard line.

That is the art of offense without playing offense. Master Zorns new scoring style!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Chris Canty - Tough to replace, but wanted too much money when signing Ware long term is a priority. If you cant have both, who would you rather keep? Ware or Canty?

Ter Owens - mouth, attitude yes, but put up 1000+ yard and double digit TD's each year he was there. We'll see how this one works out.

Greg Ellis - cry baby veteran who was very long in the tooth who's replacement was drafted 2 years ago (Spencer).

Horsecollar Williams - Liability in coverage. Sensabaugh takes his place, this is a huge upgrade in the secondary.

Brad Johnson - spaghetti arms, good riddance

Anthony Henry - injured each of the past 3 years, not getting any younger. Scandrick and Jenkins showed they are starting material and made Henry expendable.

GAINED:
Jon Kitna - Dont laugh, but he is an upgrade over Johnson. Much better arm strength. And he was QB in Detroit when Roy Williams went to the pro bowl.

Igor Olshansky - cheaper version of Canty. Not as good, but cheaper. Compare his stats and Canty's over the last 3 years. Almost identical in every category. Difference being Olshansky played in a weak division and Canty in the strongest in the league. And he (Olshansky) was drafted by Wade Phillips in San Diego. So there is some famialiarity there.

*Nobody else of significance*

All of these guys are replacable expect Owens. Spencer is more than ready to take over for Ellis. Olshansky is solid. But taking Owens off your offense is going to hurt. Roy Williams is simply one of the most overrated players in the NFL and I don't know what Jones was thinking giving up two #1's for him.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All of these guys are replacable expect Owens. Spencer is more than ready to take over for Ellis. Olshansky is solid. But taking Owens off your offense is going to hurt. Roy Williams is simply one of the most overrated players in the NFL and I don't know what Jones was thinking giving up two #1's for him.

Yeah, I think the jury will be out for a while on that one (Owens/Williams).

I see Dallas using a lot more 2 TE sets this year and running the ball more with Barber, Jones and Choice. And if I am right, it means less passes to WR's. So the jury may be out for a while.

BTW, FYI it was a first, third and a fourth I believe for Williams. Not nit-picking it is still steep for a guy with only one pro-bowl under his belt.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Chris Canty - Tough to replace, but wanted too much money when signing Ware long term is a priority. If you cant have both, who would you rather keep? Ware or Canty?

Ter Owens - mouth, attitude yes, but put up 1000+ yard and double digit TD's each year he was there. We'll see how this one works out.

Greg Ellis - cry baby veteran who was very long in the tooth who's replacement was drafted 2 years ago (Spencer).

Horsecollar Williams - Liability in coverage. Sensabaugh takes his place, this is a huge upgrade in the secondary.

Brad Johnson - spaghetti arms, good riddance

Anthony Henry - injured each of the past 3 years, not getting any younger. Scandrick and Jenkins showed they are starting material and made Henry expendable.

GAINED:
Jon Kitna - Dont laugh, but he is an upgrade over Johnson. Much better arm strength. And he was QB in Detroit when Roy Williams went to the pro bowl.

Igor Olshansky - cheaper version of Canty. Not as good, but cheaper. Compare his stats and Canty's over the last 3 years. Almost identical in every category. Difference being Olshansky played in a weak division and Canty in the strongest in the league. And he (Olshansky) was drafted by Wade Phillips in San Diego. So there is some famialiarity there.

*Nobody else of significance*

I'd say the cowpokes had a great offseason w/one exception; no signficant picks or free agents on the o line. I think the Kitna pickup was smart as was Olshansky. And especially getting TO out will help big time.

You guys all forgot about Keith Brooking.
He's a bit old but should be an upgrade over Z. Thomas. Also, Carpenter is another young OLB that at least provides solid depth. Their draft should bolster some positions & improve special teams.

The g-men & iggles are getting most of the attention, but skins v. boyz might be what decides the div. I wouldn't sleep on either one.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I'd say the cowpokes had a great offseason w/one exception; no signficant picks or free agents on the o line. I think the Kitna pickup was smart as was Olshansky. And especially getting TO out will help big time.

You guys all forgot about Keith Brooking.
He's a bit old but should be an upgrade over Z. Thomas. Also, Carpenter is another young OLB that at least provides solid depth. Their draft should bolster some positions & improve special teams.

The g-men & iggles are getting most of the attention, but skins v. boyz might be what decides the div. I wouldn't sleep on either one.

I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and couldn't even make a first round draft pick. You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and couldn't even make a first round draft pick. You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.

I dont understand the couldn't make a first round pick part????

Dallas did not even have a first round pick, it was traded to Detroit.