Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.

[Pocket$ $traight]

This whole thing is so funny and I cannot wipe the smile off my face.

No matter what any Cowboy fan says you can shut them up by bringing up this idiocy displayed by their owner.

[freddyg12]

I think this really will add to what could be the stadium's inherent home field disadvantage. People will be looking upward more so than down on the field. During the game Kurt Minnifield talked about how all those upper seats have to look downward at the stadium at a sharp angle because your eyes are drawn to the screen in front of you which is at near eye level for so many.

Will this change the energy of the crowd if so many people are only looking at the screen, rather than actual field? I don't know, i guess as much noise can be generated even if people are yelling at the screen, but it doesn't seem like it would be as intense.

This will be interesting to follow as the season goes. This is the first stadium that's designed a tron as a primary viewing option, rather than a supplemental/replay tool.

Eventually, as people realize all they are doing is watching a big screen, they will feel much less obligation to be in their seats, and might spend more time on trips to concessions, bars, etc. where there are smaller screens. Sound familiar? FedEx has never been the homefield advantage that RFK was, even though it holds 48,000 or so more.

In a nutshell, careful what you wish for, some of these huge stadiums really suck in terms of game day experience for the fan. I think JJ et al have done an incredible job, but I think it will be bad for the home team. !

[Monkeydad]

Old stadium: Ran out of money and left with an ugly hole in the roof that causes horrible shadows on the field.

New stadium: Purposely spent money to replicate the ugly hole in the roof and in a massive spending effort, installed a punt-blocking TV screen over the field.




This is hilarious...only in Dallas would this crap happen. At least this screen won't be affecting any games of importance, since Dallas has not won a playoff game in 13 years and counting.

The league should massively fine him for every week he does not move it, whether it affects a kick or not. Knowing Jones and his ego, he'll pay the fine before admitting he was wrong (stupid).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Buster

Old stadium: Ran out of money and left with an ugly hole in the roof that causes horrible shadows on the field.

New stadium: Purposely spent money to replicate the ugly hole in the roof and in a massive spending effort, installed a punt-blocking TV screen over the field.




This is hilarious...only in Dallas would this crap happen. At least this screen won't be affecting any games of importance, since Dallas has not won a playoff game in 13 years and counting.

The league should massively fine him for every week he does not move it, whether it affects a kick or not. Knowing Jones and his ego, he'll pay the fine before admitting he was wrong (stupid).

Seriously? Why should they be fined if the league already signed off on it?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Seriously? Why should they be fined if the league already signed off on it?

If they determine it needs moved and he refuses...fines are in order.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Buster

If they determine it needs moved and he refuses...fines are in order.

If they determine it needs to be moved after having approved it per standard review process, then JJ is legally w/in his right to keep it as is. The league will likely have to pony up any funds needed, unless there's more to this than meets the eye, like somehow they find the process was circumvented.

The only way I can see dallas getting fined is if the league & JJ come to agreement on how to fix the issue, yet he doesn't follow through. IF all remains as it is now, I don't see any legal means by which he could be fined.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Buster

Old stadium: Ran out of money and left with an ugly hole in the roof that causes horrible shadows on the field.

New stadium: Purposely spent money to replicate the ugly hole in the roof and in a massive spending effort, installed a punt-blocking TV screen over the field.




This is hilarious...only in Dallas would this crap happen. At least this screen won't be affecting any games of importance, since Dallas has not won a playoff game in 13 years and counting.

The league should massively fine him for every week he does not move it, whether it affects a kick or not. Knowing Jones and his ego, he'll pay the fine before admitting he was wrong (stupid).

I've never heard that they ran out of money and that was the reason the old stadium had the hole. Those type roof's are designed a certain way for support reasons and you cannot at the last minute decide to leave out structure that the roof depends on for its suport and design. JJ can rais this thing anytime he decides its a problem with a push of a botton so its no real big deal.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've never heard that they ran out of money and that was the reason the old stadium had the hole. Those type roof's are designed a certain way for support reasons and you cannot at the last minute decide to leave out structure that the roof depends on for its suport and design. JJ can rais this thing anytime he decides its a problem with a push of a botton so its no real big deal.

It was supposed to be a dome. There ended up being structural problems without the money to fix them. Plus, the owner said they're using the Stadium for the '71 opener whether it was ready or not. Well, it wasn't ready. So instead of admitting bad planning, they said they designed it that way "So God can watch his team play". Ridiculous, but later everyone could mockingly say it was "So God can keep an eye on the criminals".

[Daseal]

I really can't kill JJ or Dallas for this -- the screen is well within NFL regulations. It needs to be moved, but the league needs to pay for it and change the rules. I'm sure if you built a fence in your yard that was within homeowners regulations, then they come tell you it's too short -- you're not going to pull up and start over out of your own checkbook. Either make the homeowners association pay for it, or say deal with it.

That said, I wish we had a jumbotron that didn't have pixels the size of cars. When you look up it looks like Techmobowl on ours. GO BO GO!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I really can't kill JJ or Dallas for this -- the screen is well within NFL regulations. It needs to be moved, but the league needs to pay for it and change the rules. I'm sure if you built a fence in your yard that was within homeowners regulations, then they come tell you it's too short -- you're not going to pull up and start over out of your own checkbook. Either make the homeowners association pay for it, or say deal with it.

That said, I wish we had a jumbotron that didn't have pixels the size of cars. When you look up it looks like Techmobowl on ours. GO BO GO!

HOA only collects money

[Monkeydad]

Everyone keeps talking about these regulations...I'd like to see them in their original text.

Most stadiums have scoreboards/screens on the ends. Do these specs actually refer to "normal" scoreboards. Do they say anything about over-field obstructions? I ask because 85 feet is VERY LOW to be talking about something hanging over mid-field considering that punts and kicks can easily reach that height. I don't believe the NFL would specify a height for a structure that would easily interfere with such a frequent play.

It can't be talking about something hanging in the center the way I see it. Possibly, the league never had the foresight to think someone would be so arrogant or spendy to install something so massive directly over the field and never had a regulation for it...so they cited the "normal" scoreboard specs that are usually installed in a location that does not interfere with a ball within the bounds of the playing field.

This whole "meets league regulations" just seems like an excuse or passing of blame by Jones and his defenders...the height of the regulation being cited just seems fishy if talking about something over the field. Punts and kicks can easily hit something if this truly is the regulation speaking of hanging over the field...I just don't buy that the NFL would have this measurement on the books for this specific case. Maybe they used another regulation and applied it to the Jerrytron because it was never a question before...but I doubt he truly meet a specific requirement that was talking exactly about that screen.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Buster

Everyone keeps talking about these regulations...I'd like to see them in their original text.

yeah i would too. i tried to do an internet search for the actual language. found nothing. did find a texas a&m message board where a poster said he read the regulation text and the cowboys stadium is within regs but didnt post the link to where he found the actual nfl language.

if anyone comes across the actual language please post a link, id like to read it.

go skins!!

[hail_2_da_skins]

I really thing Jerry Jones intention was to create a palace more impressive than Dan Snyder's palace. In the process, the Cowboys have this larger than life video screen/scoreboard that dangles over the entire field. Punters are going to continue to hit it and if it continues to delay ball games something is going to have to be done. Dig deeper in your wallet Jerry Jones, raise the scoreboard.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

I really thing Jerry Jones intention was to create a palace more impressive than Dan Snyder's palace. In the process, the Cowboys have this larger than life video screen/scoreboard that dangles over the entire field. Punters are going to continue to hit it and if it continues to delay ball games something is going to have to be done. Dig deeper in your wallet Jerry Jones, raise the scoreboard.

I don't know if FedEx is that impressive per say. I think massive describes it especially considering that to my knowledge the only stadium in America thats bigger is Happy Valley. However at the end of the day it's a big, traditional square bowl with a coat of Redskin colors.

Also I think that FedEx is really JKC's palace.

Edit: Never mind FedEx is the 18th largest stadium in the world and 10th in the US. Still it's definitely the biggest in the NFL so horray.
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[sandtrapjack]

Well all indications are the league competition committee is acting quickly on the scoreboard issue. There have already been a few meetings by the committee on this and more to come is all but assured.

The league "greenlighted" the scoreboard to be suspended 85 feet above the field. The scoreboard is currently positioned at 90 feet above the field. The NFL states that any scoreboard must be no lower than 85 feet from the field.

So Jones would be within his rights to tell the league that he will not raise the scoreboard. But I woud think that if the league ORDERS it raised (which is within thier right) then, they will probably volunteer to share a portion of the financial burden of raising it.

Just raise it already, before the season starts.