"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.

The code is cracked.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The code is cracked.

It didn't need to be cracked. That's the issue.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The code is cracked.

the code was cracked last year against the steelers, then the ravens imo. in all reality we've been dealing with this "we need to stretch the field so teams dont stack the box" issue for years and years, well before zorn got here. shoot, wasnt adding lloyd and ARE years ago supposed to be our answer to this problem?

go skins!!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.

This gameplan is mind bogglingly terrible. First of all, assuming DE's are going to get there every time they pass rush is a terrible way to gameplan (otherwise no one would ever blitz) so it effectively takes nothing away from the offense outside of a few plays when they actually apply good pressure. It also opens up gaping holes to run/cut back through. DE's in the backfield opens up the running game because they run by the running back and open holes, and "stacking the box" involves adding exactly 1 more player to the box, a safety, so there is absolutely no way pass rushing on every down would ever be an effective deterrent to a running game. On a well executed run play, you'd have a running back making it to the second level pretty much clean by cutting back into the holes the ends vacated, if a lead blocker accounts for the linebacker in that situation, the rusher's out of the gate and you just got gashed, probably for 10+, possibly for 6 points.

I guarantee if you showed this gameplan to Clinton Portis he be salivating.

[Trample the Elderly]

Far be it for me to beat up on ole Soup, but it wasn't the O-lines fault that he didn't convert with the Steeler's first team D playing.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jdlea

This gameplan is mind bogglingly terrible. First of all, assuming DE's are going to get there every time they pass rush is a terrible way to gameplan (otherwise no one would ever blitz) so it effectively takes nothing away from the offense outside of a few plays when they actually apply good pressure. It also opens up gaping holes to run/cut back through. DE's in the backfield opens up the running game because they run by the running back and open holes, and "stacking the box" involves adding exactly 1 more player to the box, a safety, so there is absolutely no way pass rushing on every down would ever be an effective deterrent to a running game. On a well executed run play, you'd have a running back making it to the second level pretty much clean by cutting back into the holes the ends vacated, if a lead blocker accounts for the linebacker in that situation, the rusher's out of the gate and you just got gashed, probably for 10+, possibly for 6 points.

I guarantee if you showed this gameplan to Clinton Portis he be salivating.

That's not what stacking the box exactly means. Who the heck is in the box other than that safety? - the damn linebackers who would be "stacked" to play the run. And guess what the giants and every other good defensive-coached teams are planning to do (and have done)?

And it doesn't matter how well the offensive line does in pass protection. If the de's are teeing up on the qb all day, they're going to look like shit like last year. Naturally the o line is going to look better in run-blocking, but that's the small sacrifice that the opposing defensive line can concede if they can have the linebackers and safeties stopping the run.

[ethat001]

Not to play devil's advocate, but I was trying to defend Jason to see how he threw the long ball in the past -- and I guess I went pretty far back to his draft reviews.. But these are interesting to look at.. I guess he had some of the same problems 4-5 years ago.

Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. ... Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs...
ESPN.com - NFL - NFL Draft '05 - Player


Athletic passer who took his game to another level as a senior. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers and poised under pressure. Feels the rush, steps up to avoid it, then finds the open pass-catcher... Looks off the safety, goes through receiver progressions and does not force the ball if nothing.s available. Does not take bad sacks and always trying to make something positive happen. Keeps his eyes down the field rolling out, makes good decisions and runs with the ball as a last resort. Accurate between the hashes, displays a good sense of timing and improved his pass placement as a senior. Effective at the Senior Bowl in a West Coast timing offense.
NEGATIVES: Cannot drive the deep pass, late on the outs and loses accuracy throwing on the move. Rarely makes plays with his legs.
ANALYSIS: A prospect with the physical tools to work with, Campbell improved his overall game and made a big jump up draft boards the past six months. Most effective in a short passing offense that does not rely on the vertical game. Will need to sit on the sidelines for a few seasons and develop his game, but proved himself a capable leader off the 2004 season.
SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Jason Campbell

I guess NFL play says more than all this, but this makes me wonder how much has changed over the years.

[Jay Schroeder]

I'm worried about Campbell. I think hes one of the 5 worst qbs in the league. Our O line starters looked good and so did our run game on the first series, but teams will stack 8 in the box on us and we'll be screwed. Our D can't keep teams scoreless. My only hope is if we miss playoffs that we get rid of Zorn and JC and convince Cowher (a real football coach) to man the ship. I hope I am wrong though. I definitely wouldve been happy if we got Cutler, but two first rounders wouldve been a steep price given our other weaknesses.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

I'm worried about Campbell. I think hes one of the 5 worst qbs in the league.

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I'd be interested to hear the other four worst quarterback in the league...

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

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I'd be interested to hear the other four worst quarterback in the league...

Better yet, name the other 27 who are better.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

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I'd be interested to hear the other four worst quarterback in the league...

Before last week (with Favre signing) I wouldve thrown in Tavaris Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, whomever is starting for TB, Detroit Lions Starter...

[Jay Schroeder]

throw in Trent Edwards and SF starter and the others I named and that's the company Campbell is in.

[Jay Schroeder]

agreed bottom 5 couldve been harsh, but its not much better than that.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

Before last week (with Favre signing) I wouldve thrown in Tavaris Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, whomever is starting for TB, Detroit Lions Starter...

Hill/O'sullivan from SF. Sanchez/Clemens from NYJ, Quinn/Anderson for Cleveland, Edwards in Buff are all worse tha JC. I could keep going but I just dont wanna. There is no way in hell Campbell is that far down the list. Maybe middle of the pack but certainly not bottom 5.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

Before last week (with Favre signing) I wouldve thrown in Tavaris Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, whomever is starting for TB, Detroit Lions Starter...

Your knowledge of other quarterbacks in this league is staggering.