"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[GTripp0012]

There are a few starting quarterbacks in the NFL who haven't proved adequacy:

1. Kyle Orton
2. Matt Cassel
3. Shaun Hill
4. The post-Green Bay Brett Favre
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Luke McCown
7. Mark Sanchez
8. The post-Martz Marc Bulger
9. JaMarcus Russell
10. Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn
11. Trent Edwards
12. Vince Young
13. Joe Flacco

You could take any of these guys over Campbell, but it would be merely a personal preference. Not anything based on past performance.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There are a few starting quarterbacks in the NFL who haven't proved adequacy:

1. Kyle Orton
2. Matt Cassel
3. Shaun Hill
4. The post-Green Bay Brett Favre
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Luke McCown
7. Mark Sanchez
8. The post-Martz Marc Bulger
9. JaMarcus Russell
10. Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn
11. Trent Edwards
12. Vince Young
13. Joe Flacco

You could take any of these guys over Campbell, but it would be merely a personal preference. Not anything based on past performance.

I would take Cassell, Sanchez, Flacco and Derek Anderson over him anyday. Agreed that 5th worst label was a bit harsh, but the guy is visibly one of the worst in the league.

Young isn't even a starter anymore

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

I would take Cassell, Sanchez, Flacco and Derek Anderson over him anyday. Agreed that 5th worst label was a bit harsh, but the guy is visibly one of the worst in the league.

Young isn't even a starter anymore

So you would take a guy in Sanchez that has never taken a real NFL snap and hasn't looke dthat great either over JC? Boy am I glad you are not the coach.

And I like Joe Flacco but come on. Its like Gtripp said, its nothing more than personal preference. Because it sure as hell isn't because he is a far better QB. Look at the #s

[CRedskinsRule]

Just got caught up on all the posts.

No one can tell me that JC is going to be worse than last year, and last year we had 2 newbie receivers that couldn't get on the field and when they did made lots of mistakes. This preseason, we have seen Campbell shaking off the off-season, while the receivers named Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell have been coming into there own with all the qbs. Once the regular season starts, and Cooley is in on most every down, and teams are worrying about Portis, you don't think we will be seeing Kelly on the slant with his hands he has demonstrated, or DT on the corner post. Pre-season is vanilla, and no one is writing record books based off these performances.

One post asked why I think JC could take us to the playoffs (of course he asked as a diversion to answering my question). It's really simple, our Oline has looked solid, starters and backups. When JC had a solid line, he was putting up MVP style numbers, pulled out a great win from NO, and led a game winning drive against the Rams, only to have the D give it back. Same with SF
Zorn has learned more, and even I hated the 3 runs to the endzone, he had to see what the line/betts could do. I doubt he will try that in the regular season.

If you watch the plays and calls the 2nd and 3rd team offenses are running, they have a much more open playbook. Which to me is Zorn's way of testing his planning for this year.

JC mainly needs to lead this team, he will never be the gamer that Colt probably is, but at the NFL level, I believe he has the best chance of leading this team deep into the playoffs out of any qb who is now an option for our team.

84.2, 13, 6, 3245

I expect that all these numbers, except maybe 6, will increase. And that will bode well for our team.

And if JC doesn't. Then we bring on another guy next year, or Chase in game 12. But why spend 4 yrs working with, teaching, preparing a guy, to show him the door 3 games into his last season. That would be ridiculous.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just got caught up on all the posts.

No one can tell me that JC is going to be worse than last year, and last year we had 2 newbie receivers that couldn't get on the field and when they did made lots of mistakes. This preseason, we have seen Campbell shaking off the off-season, while the receivers named Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell have been coming into there own with all the qbs. Once the regular season starts, and Cooley is in on most every down, and teams are worrying about Portis, you don't think we will be seeing Kelly on the slant with his hands he has demonstrated, or DT on the corner post. Pre-season is vanilla, and no one is writing record books based off these performances.

One post asked why I think JC could take us to the playoffs (of course he asked as a diversion to answering my question). It's really simple, our Oline has looked solid, starters and backups. When JC had a solid line, he was putting up MVP style numbers, pulled out a great win from NO, and led a game winning drive against the Rams, only to have the D give it back. Same with SF
Zorn has learned more, and even I hated the 3 runs to the endzone, he had to see what the line/betts could do. I doubt he will try that in the regular season.

If you watch the plays and calls the 2nd and 3rd team offenses are running, they have a much more open playbook. Which to me is Zorn's way of testing his planning for this year.

JC mainly needs to lead this team, he will never be the gamer that Colt probably is, but at the NFL level, I believe he has the best chance of leading this team deep into the playoffs out of any qb who is now an option for our team.

84.2, 13, 6, 3245

I expect that all these numbers, except maybe 6, will increase. And that will bode well for our team.

And if JC doesn't. Then we bring on another guy next year, or Chase in game 12. But why spend 4 yrs working with, teaching, preparing a guy, to show him the door 3 games into his last season. That would be ridiculous.

I don't care if the INT's increase as long as the TD's get in the mid 20's. I keep saying this but Brees threw 17 picks last year but who cares when you get 34 td's and 5,000 yards.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care if the INT's increase as long as the TD's get in the mid 20's. I keep saying this but Brees threw 17 picks last year but who cares when you get 34 td's and 5,000 yards.

They'll increase, but it depends how much. We can live with 10-12, but not with 15-17.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They'll increase, but it depends how much. We can live with 10-12, but not with 15-17.

I don't care if he throws 15 to 17ints if he's getting the yardage and TD production. There are a lot of great QB's that probably averaged 15-17 ints a year. It's part of playing QB in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care if he throws 15 to 17ints if he's getting the yardage and TD production. There are a lot of great QB's that probably averaged 15-17 ints a year. It's part of playing QB in the NFL.

Our offense can't function like that. It would drop our defenses total points against rank to the 20-25 range.

A very good TD/INT rate (5:2, 3:1) is a necessity. Campbell needs to toss 23-27 TDs this year, assuming 16 starts. About 1.5 per game. If he can get that up to the 30-32 range, he'll be in the pro bowl. But for that to happen, we'd need to find a legit big play source, and I think that's going to be an offensive hole this year.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care if he throws 15 to 17ints if he's getting the yardage and TD production. There are a lot of great QB's that probably averaged 15-17 ints a year. It's part of playing QB in the NFL.

If Zorn opens it up and Kelly and Thomas with a nice dose of Mitchell is thrown in you will get an increase in red zone production for sure. ARE and Moss can't be doubled and will also see improved production. You just have to hope the O line holds and stays healthy. Our problem is not taking any chances. You can't be a winner in any avenue in any aspect of life being too scared to play/live. You will always be mediocre, which is what we have become since Gibbs came back.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care if the INT's increase as long as the TD's get in the mid 20's. I keep saying this but Brees threw 17 picks last year but who cares when you get 34 td's and 5,000 yards.

Yeah that is what I am talking about. Zorny needs to let JC let the balls fly for a change and things will get interesting ina positive way. Zorn holding the kid back is a big part of the problem, is too scared to open it up. It is like he just bought a brand new Porsche Caymen S and doesn't want to take it on the interstate to open it up to see what it can do.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Yeah that is what I am talking about. Zorny needs to let JC let the balls fly for a change and things will get interesting ina positive way. Zorn holding the kid back is a big part of the problem, is too scared to open it up. It is like he just bought a brand new Porsche Caymen S and doesn't want to take it on the interstate to open it up to see what it can do.

I think part of it is was Zorn pulling back cause of the line and part of it is JC not pulling the trigger. But still it's the coaches job to max protect and still try to take shots down field. 14 play drives don't happen a lot in the NFL. We have to try and score quicker.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think part of it is was Zorn pulling back cause of the line and part of it is JC not pulling the trigger. But still it's the coaches job to max protect and still try to take shots down field. 14 play drives don't happen a lot in the NFL. We have to try and score quicker.

I'm starting to think that max protect may not be the best way to go about generating the big plays. This is something that I'm just now considering based on evidence from the last preseason game, but I think the element of deception is critical for this offense to get big plays. If we block with seven or eight and send one guy on a post, he's going to have two guys on him every time. But in a five step drop, we can probably pick our spots and get one on ones. Then Campbell can take the shot if he has the time, or check it down if he doesn't.

If we max protect, we're gambling that we will catch them in a blitz. If we don't, then throwing it deep is just wasting the down, and risking the INT.

[RedskinMike]

Regardless of what Jason does this year Rivers is no longer an option. Just sighned a 6 year extension for around 92 mill.

[GTripp0012]

Wow, Sanchez looks awful.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

and had Lewis not dropped his second pass he would've been 2/2INT for TDs.