"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm pretty sure preseason performances are the exception, not the rule.

I'm saying it's a stretch to draw any conclusion from a one quarter performance in the preseason, and that consequently, I decided not to break down Campbell's mechanics on film. Don't forget that I've broken him down for a season and a half prior to this, he's not a green as grass rookie. If his experience is reason to conclude suckiness from seven passes, I want no part of this discussion.

Had Campbell been 6 for 7 for 115 yards, I would of politely pointed out he did well and moved on. It's not worth harping on because he's got to do it over 35-40 passes, no quarterback is graded by what the do in the first quarter of any game. In this respect, Jason Campbell has nothing to prove to anyone during the preseason (which is not to say he shouldn't be getting more reps).

Collins is showing me something, but there will not be a benefit to playing him ahead of Campbell. There's not one thing he does better than Campbell, and he's 38, so it's not like we have a viable potential 2010 starter in him. His presence on the roster is injury-related at best.

I know that Campbell does everything mechanically better and if you look at my first post, I am not calling for a QB change. You may feel that you are above this discussion because of your film study but the bottom line is that he needs to produce. The second half of last year he had poor production and the first two games of the pre-season, he has had poor production. I am getting tired of excuses. Btw, has he ever been 6-7 for 115 against a good defense?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I know that Campbell does everything mechanically better and if you look at my first post, I am not calling for a QB change. You may feel that you are above this discussion because of your film study but the bottom line is that he needs to produce. The second half of last year he had poor production and the first two games of the pre-season, he has had poor production. I am getting tired of excuses. Btw, has he ever been 6-7 for 115 against a good defense?

I don't feel like I'm above this discussion, but if it devolves into a stupid comparison of what other quarterbacks did in their meaningless quarter of work, I have nothing of substance to add to a substanceless argument.

And yes, he has had 6-7, 100 yd stretches before against defenses like the Giants and Cowboys. As has Todd Collins. It's not a special accomplishment.

The problem is that Jason Campbell is being put on a "needs to produce" pedistal. Duh. So does everyone else. If other people are not producing, his job becomes more difficult. London Fletcher is under a ton of pressure to produce this year. Albert Haynesworth is probably under twice as much pressure as Fletcher. Both of them were involved on more plays yesterday than Campbell. And yet, not one thought about them?

There's other things to football besides harping on a meaningless sample performance by the QB. You and I know that. A few others do not seem to.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't feel like I'm above this discussion, but if it devolves into a stupid comparison of what other quarterbacks did in their meaningless quarter of work, I have nothing of substance to add to a substanceless argument.

And yes, he has had 6-7, 100 yd stretches before against defenses like the Giants and Cowboys. As has Todd Collins. It's not a special accomplishment.

The problem is that Jason Campbell is being put on a "needs to produce" pedistal. Duh. So does everyone else. If other people are not producing, his job becomes more difficult. London Fletcher is under a ton of pressure to produce this year. Albert Haynesworth is probably under twice as much pressure as Fletcher. Both of them were involved on more plays yesterday than Campbell. And yet, not one thought about them?

There's other things to football besides harping on a meaningless sample performance by the QB. You and I know that. A few others do not seem to.

I agree with all of this. I guess I am putting Campbell on the "needs to produce now pedestal" since the FO tried to get rid of him twice in the offseason.

It is possible that Fletcher could be gone after a poor year but I would be very surprised; first if he had a poor year and second if they followed that up with a release. Haynesworth's contract basically ties him to the team for several years so he could turn into Stubby this year and still be around for a while.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I agree with all of this. I guess I am putting Campbell on the "needs to produce now pedestal" since the FO tried to get rid of him twice in the offseason.

Can't blame you. I think my 2007 Jacksonville comparison in the game thread rings true. It's not fair to Byron Leftwich to suggest the team wouldn't have made the playoffs with him at quarterback.

Campbell is lucky that he's still here, but he didn't do anything wrong to warrant dismissal.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can't blame you. I think my 2007 Jacksonville comparison in the game thread rings true. It's not fair to Byron Leftwich to suggest the team wouldn't have made the playoffs with him at quarterback.

Campbell is lucky that he's still here, but he didn't do anything wrong to warrant dismissal.

I would agree he hasnt done anything to warrant a dismissal, but in the same breath he has done anything to warrent a contract extention. I would love to see him get that extention and lead this team to the playoffs, so lets start to see it. Yes only a couple quarters of a "sample" to rate his preformance so far, but this is his 5th year. I want to see the growth and the experience show now..growth and experience synonymous with production. Its my expectations at this point in his career. I fear after the first official game I will hear the excuse "its just the first game, he will get better as the season goes on" and I dont find that acceptable at this point. I dunno, are my expectation too high? I feel like they are, but I just want to see JC first look comfortable in offense and succeed.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's other things to football besides harping on a meaningless sample performance by the QB.

This is the "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" thread btw.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by roth74va

This is the "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" thread btw.

Good point.