"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

While I am a bit disappointed with JC's play, my expectations of him are to be good enough to compliment our strong defense. It would be nice if he becomes a slinger that throws for a ton of yards and touchdown, the reality is that we need Campbell to be just a bit better than last year in order to win enough games to get us to the playoffs. We have a strong (possibly elite) defense, and a good running game, we just need the passing game to compliment that. Right now he is the best choice we have at QB, and he should be kept in the game until we are eliminated from the playoffs. If he does falter this year, then we will need to blow up the offense and start from scratch for 2010.

yeah i agree with this. JC, Zorn and the recievers need to show alil something to keep teams from stacking 8 in the box and nullifying portis and the running game. if this is a copy cat league, i think teams will stack the box until JC and the skins show they can make them pay.

in his 2nd yr with zorn all JC has to do is show alil quicker decision making and accuracy and we are in a good spot. not alot, just alil bit of improvement from last year. is that too much to ask?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah i agree with this. JC, Zorn and the recievers need to show alil something to keep teams from stacking 8 in the box and nullifying portis and the running game. if this is a copy cat league, i think teams will stack the box until JC and the skins show they can make them pay.

in his 2nd yr with zorn all JC has to do is show alil quicker decision making and accuracy and we are in a good spot. not alot, just alil bit of improvement from last year. is that too much to ask?

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.

The code is cracked.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The code is cracked.

It didn't need to be cracked. That's the issue.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The code is cracked.

the code was cracked last year against the steelers, then the ravens imo. in all reality we've been dealing with this "we need to stretch the field so teams dont stack the box" issue for years and years, well before zorn got here. shoot, wasnt adding lloyd and ARE years ago supposed to be our answer to this problem?

go skins!!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the code was cracked last year against the steelers, then the ravens imo. in all reality we've been dealing with this "we need to stretch the field so teams dont stack the box" issue for years and years, well before zorn got here. shoot, wasnt adding lloyd and ARE years ago supposed to be our answer to this problem?

go skins!!

Now teams just know we have JC trying to open things up and it not scaring them very much. LOL

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, JC's best known skill is to throw it deep. He still doesn't seem to have the accuracy with the short to midrange stuff. If I were the opposing defensive coach, this would be a no-brainer. Stack the box, have the d-ends pass-rush all day (to take away campbell's best skill: the long ball). And the combination of the de's in the backfield and stacking the box would nullify the run game. All that is left is the mid to short range stuff which would be JC's weakness. If the redskins offense beats you, then that would mean JC had a very good day at his known weakness.

This gameplan is mind bogglingly terrible. First of all, assuming DE's are going to get there every time they pass rush is a terrible way to gameplan (otherwise no one would ever blitz) so it effectively takes nothing away from the offense outside of a few plays when they actually apply good pressure. It also opens up gaping holes to run/cut back through. DE's in the backfield opens up the running game because they run by the running back and open holes, and "stacking the box" involves adding exactly 1 more player to the box, a safety, so there is absolutely no way pass rushing on every down would ever be an effective deterrent to a running game. On a well executed run play, you'd have a running back making it to the second level pretty much clean by cutting back into the holes the ends vacated, if a lead blocker accounts for the linebacker in that situation, the rusher's out of the gate and you just got gashed, probably for 10+, possibly for 6 points.

I guarantee if you showed this gameplan to Clinton Portis he be salivating.

[Trample the Elderly]

Far be it for me to beat up on ole Soup, but it wasn't the O-lines fault that he didn't convert with the Steeler's first team D playing.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jdlea

This gameplan is mind bogglingly terrible. First of all, assuming DE's are going to get there every time they pass rush is a terrible way to gameplan (otherwise no one would ever blitz) so it effectively takes nothing away from the offense outside of a few plays when they actually apply good pressure. It also opens up gaping holes to run/cut back through. DE's in the backfield opens up the running game because they run by the running back and open holes, and "stacking the box" involves adding exactly 1 more player to the box, a safety, so there is absolutely no way pass rushing on every down would ever be an effective deterrent to a running game. On a well executed run play, you'd have a running back making it to the second level pretty much clean by cutting back into the holes the ends vacated, if a lead blocker accounts for the linebacker in that situation, the rusher's out of the gate and you just got gashed, probably for 10+, possibly for 6 points.

I guarantee if you showed this gameplan to Clinton Portis he be salivating.

That's not what stacking the box exactly means. Who the heck is in the box other than that safety? - the damn linebackers who would be "stacked" to play the run. And guess what the giants and every other good defensive-coached teams are planning to do (and have done)?

And it doesn't matter how well the offensive line does in pass protection. If the de's are teeing up on the qb all day, they're going to look like shit like last year. Naturally the o line is going to look better in run-blocking, but that's the small sacrifice that the opposing defensive line can concede if they can have the linebackers and safeties stopping the run.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

That's not what stacking the box exactly means. Who the heck is in the box other than that safety? - the damn linebackers who would be "stacked" to play the run. And guess what the giants and every other good defensive-coached teams are planning to do (and have done)?

And it doesn't matter how well the offensive line does in pass protection. If the de's are teeing up on the qb all day, they're going to look like shit like last year. Naturally the o line is going to look better in run-blocking, but that's the small sacrifice that the opposing defensive line can concede if they can have the linebackers and safeties stopping the run.

I said "exactly 1 more." Stacking the box means you add a safety to your linebackers and D Line (also in the box, conveniently missing from your first, condescending sentence). And exactly like I said, let the DE run by, pick up the OLB and you're off to the races...why do you think the draw play works? The Ends run by and it opens up gaping holes.

Also, "just like they did last year?" I'm sure you mean the end of the year when the OL fell apart, but the O Line was solid to open the season.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I said "exactly 1 more." Stacking the box means you add a safety to your linebackers and D Line (also in the box, conveniently missing from your first, condescending sentence). And exactly like I said, let the DE run by, pick up the OLB and you're off to the races...why do you think the draw play works? The Ends run by and it opens up gaping holes.

Also, "just like they did last year?" I'm sure you mean the end of the year when the OL fell apart, but the O Line was solid to open the season.

First, the draw play usually gains yardage because the opposing defense is in zone and are playing the pass (usually in 3rd and long). You don't see the draw play run on 1st downs usually because it is meant to catch the defense off-guard.

And second, you are so sure about this shit - then why don't you tell me why the offense was struggling last year against all kinds of defenses. At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

First, the draw play usually gains yardage because the opposing defense is in zone and are playing the pass (usually in 3rd and long). You don't see the draw play run on 1st downs usually because it is meant to catch the defense off-guard.

And second, you are so sure about this shit - then why don't you tell me why the offense was struggling last year against all kinds of defenses. At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

Why you feel the need to cuss and make personal attacks, I'm not certain, but I'll answer your question to the best of my knowledge.

Jason Campbell was playing decent to begin the season, he wasn't lighting the world on fire, but he didn't have to. I believe that during the Saints game he showed that if they needed the deep ball, he could get it done. There are lots of reasons offenses struggle, not the least of which was a porous offensive line at the end of the season.

As Clinton Portis goes, so go the Redskins and I think we all saw what happened when he got bottled up, the offense couldn't move the ball. I tend to think the whole O struggled to adjust to a new system. Receivers weren't positive where they were supposed to go and Jason wasn't sure where they were going. I also think that having small receivers in the WCO is a bad idea, it's easier to throw slants to bigger more physical players, not shrimps like Santana and Antwan

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

Uhh, several intelligent football analysts(including Ron Jaworski and Sean Salisbury) were throwing Campbell's name around as a candidate for league MVP at the midway point of the season last year. I think that's a bit higher praise than "he doesn't turn the ball over".

And I still can't figure out why it's so hard for people to correlate the fact that the offensive production went downhill last season, when the line started falling apart. Portis' production fell off significantly too. It's hard to produce any kind of offense behind a beat up offensive line.