"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I said "exactly 1 more." Stacking the box means you add a safety to your linebackers and D Line (also in the box, conveniently missing from your first, condescending sentence). And exactly like I said, let the DE run by, pick up the OLB and you're off to the races...why do you think the draw play works? The Ends run by and it opens up gaping holes.

Also, "just like they did last year?" I'm sure you mean the end of the year when the OL fell apart, but the O Line was solid to open the season.

First, the draw play usually gains yardage because the opposing defense is in zone and are playing the pass (usually in 3rd and long). You don't see the draw play run on 1st downs usually because it is meant to catch the defense off-guard.

And second, you are so sure about this shit - then why don't you tell me why the offense was struggling last year against all kinds of defenses. At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

First, the draw play usually gains yardage because the opposing defense is in zone and are playing the pass (usually in 3rd and long). You don't see the draw play run on 1st downs usually because it is meant to catch the defense off-guard.

And second, you are so sure about this shit - then why don't you tell me why the offense was struggling last year against all kinds of defenses. At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

Why you feel the need to cuss and make personal attacks, I'm not certain, but I'll answer your question to the best of my knowledge.

Jason Campbell was playing decent to begin the season, he wasn't lighting the world on fire, but he didn't have to. I believe that during the Saints game he showed that if they needed the deep ball, he could get it done. There are lots of reasons offenses struggle, not the least of which was a porous offensive line at the end of the season.

As Clinton Portis goes, so go the Redskins and I think we all saw what happened when he got bottled up, the offense couldn't move the ball. I tend to think the whole O struggled to adjust to a new system. Receivers weren't positive where they were supposed to go and Jason wasn't sure where they were going. I also think that having small receivers in the WCO is a bad idea, it's easier to throw slants to bigger more physical players, not shrimps like Santana and Antwan

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Why you feel the need to cuss and make personal attacks, I'm not certain, but I'll answer your question to the best of my knowledge.

Jason Campbell was playing decent to begin the season, he wasn't lighting the world on fire, but he didn't have to. I believe that during the Saints game he showed that if they needed the deep ball, he could get it done. There are lots of reasons offenses struggle, not the least of which was a porous offensive line at the end of the season.

As Clinton Portis goes, so go the Redskins and I think we all saw what happened when he got bottled up, the offense couldn't move the ball. I tend to think the whole O struggled to adjust to a new system. Receivers weren't positive where they were supposed to go and Jason wasn't sure where they were going. I also think that having small receivers in the WCO is a bad idea, it's easier to throw slants to bigger more physical players, not shrimps like Santana and Antwan

so i guess it's just preseason, so it doesn't matter that Campbell is still struggling even though he has a decent line and protection in front of him. It's just preseason and the wins and loses don't matter, but the performances still do.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

so i guess it's just preseason, so it doesn't matter that Campbell is still struggling even though he has a decent line and protection in front of him. It's just preseason and the wins and loses don't matter, but the performances still do.

Yes, that is absolutely my feeling. I couldn't care less what he's doing right now because you play preseason games to work on different things. They're glorified practices. If this carries over into the season I'll start to doubt him. I'm prepared for whatever happens at this point. I want him to succeed and it's got little to do with Jason. I like him because if he is good, that will mean the Skins found their QB for several years (not one or two like Collins or a pipe dream like Colt/Chase (I loved both of them in college, btw, no bias against them)).

I do think it's unfair the revolving door of coaches and systems he's been in, but the bottom line he has to prove he can play this season or he's gone and I've accepted that.

That said, I don't know that he was dealt a fair hand here, but that doesn't mean he should get a 2nd contract.

Finally, I'm confident he will prove that he can get it done this season, but I don't have a crystal ball and I don't know.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

so i guess it's just preseason, so it doesn't matter that Campbell is still struggling even though he has a decent line and protection in front of him. It's just preseason and the wins and loses don't matter, but the performances still do.

Can you be specifc as to JC struggles so far this preseason? Has he been terribly inaccurate? Has he throw INTs? Maybe held the ball too long and taken a few sacks? Please, enlighten me as to how JC has struggled so bad in such a short period of time because I fail to see it. You must know something that I don't.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Can you be specifc as to JC struggles so far this preseason? Has he been terribly inaccurate? Has he throw INTs? Maybe held the ball too long and taken a few sacks? Please, enlighten me as to how JC has struggled so bad in such a short period of time because I fail to see it. You must know something that I don't.

I think it's obvious. He's had what - 5 series. Not enough to predict an entire season for him, but enough to try to disprove all of the lack of confidence that his own personnel people have. It's his job to prove people wrong and so far not a job so far.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think it's obvious. He's had what - 5 series. Not enough to predict an entire season for him, but enough to try to disprove all of the lack of confidence that his own personnel people have. It's his job to prove people wrong and so far not a job so far.

No seriously. You are so adamant that JC is a heaping pile of shit I would like to know what in speciic you are talking about. Its not obvious or I would see it too.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

No seriously. You are so adamant that JC is a heaping pile of shit I would like to know what in speciic you are talking about. Its not obvious or I would see it too.

Tell me what has he accomplished or PROVED to us in these 2 games so far. Nothing except that the redskins might have been right to try to get another starting qb.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Can you be specifc as to JC struggles so far this preseason? Has he been terribly inaccurate? Has he throw INTs? Maybe held the ball too long and taken a few sacks? Please, enlighten me as to how JC has struggled so bad in such a short period of time because I fail to see it. You must know something that I don't.

3 points in 2 games.
QB rating in the 40's.
overthrew Moss,Hagans.
underthrew Kelly ball hit Troy P in the hands,close to a int.

If JC wants to prove the FO and the non JC supporters wrong,this isnt the way to do it. He better get off his arse this week or it could get ugly.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

At his best performances last year, campbell was being praised for not turning the ball over.

Uhh, several intelligent football analysts(including Ron Jaworski and Sean Salisbury) were throwing Campbell's name around as a candidate for league MVP at the midway point of the season last year. I think that's a bit higher praise than "he doesn't turn the ball over".

And I still can't figure out why it's so hard for people to correlate the fact that the offensive production went downhill last season, when the line started falling apart. Portis' production fell off significantly too. It's hard to produce any kind of offense behind a beat up offensive line.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Uhh, several intelligent football analysts(including Ron Jaworski and Sean Salisbury) were throwing Campbell's name around as a candidate for league MVP at the midway point of the season last year. I think that's a bit higher praise than "he doesn't turn the ball over".

And I still can't figure out why it's so hard for people to correlate the fact that the offensive production went downhill last season, when the line started falling apart. Portis' production fell off significantly too. It's hard to produce any kind of offense behind a beat up offensive line.

It's easy to want to defend Jason Campbell as a person, but defending his play on the field is a lot harder to do. Everyone wants to root for him, but his production and consistency just isn't good enough. I want to be a homer just like everyone else, but I think it hit me this preseason that Campbell is just not good enough. If his offseason didn't motivate him enough to have a good showing in preseason to this point (to prove himself to the team), I don't know what will.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I want to be a homer just like everyone else, but I think it hit me this preseason that Campbell is just not good enough.

Your ability to analyze the 13 passes he's made this preseason must be superhuman if you're already able to determine that he won't succeed.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Your ability to analyze the 13 passes he's made this preseason must be superhuman if you're already able to determine that he won't succeed.

On the contrary, he's had more than just these 13 passes to analyze. These 13 passes were just an opportunity for him to prove the judgments on him were wrong (that were made before the preseason began).

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

On the contrary, he's had more than just these 13 passes to analyze. These 13 passes were just an opportunity for him to prove the judgments on him were wrong (that were made before the preseason began).

You can't prove anything to anyone with only 13 passes. More are required.