"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You guys are the ones that's downplaying 2 dismal preseason games after knowing that Campbell's under a microscope. I'm sick of seeing the defense of yet another good-guy redskins qb that might be good (just wait until next week).

Campbell has nothing to prove in the pre-season.

To judge him by what happens in the preseason is to judge you as a person using only posts in this thread.

So if he comes out in week 1 and has a meh day, no one can point to the preseason and say, "look it's a trend". You still have to base his performance off a string of a regular season games. How long of a string? Depends on how it goes. 7 straight positive value games last year, and you focused on the very next two when coming to a conclusion on him. See?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell has nothing to prove in the pre-season.

To judge him by what happens in the preseason is to judge you as a person using only posts in this thread.

So if he comes out in week 1 and has a meh day, no one can point to the preseason and say, "look it's a trend". You still have to base his performance off a string of a regular season games. How long of a string? Depends on how it goes. 7 straight positive value games last year, and you focused on the very next two when coming to a conclusion on him. See?

He needs to prove something to everyone. Most of all to the people that he works for. A preseason game is still a game. There's no excuse, I am assuming that he was trying to play at his absolute best. And was below average while trying. He didn't make fatal mistakes, but he didn't make any plays either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

He needs to prove something to everyone. Most of all to the people that he works for. A preseason game is still a game. There's no excuse, I am assuming that he was trying to play at his absolute best. And was below average while trying. He didn't make fatal mistakes, but he didn't make any plays either.

I think it's a fair assumption that he was trying to do his best, and yet, any scout with any experience will tell you that little can be concluded from an endless string of Campbell's play this year.

Despite your prior assertion that you're also considering past play, you seem to be a slave to the idea of a "clean slate" in this presason. Campbell has no more to prove than anyone else on the roster, and can only do so much before getting an entire game to play.

Honestly though, even if you judged him by just what you saw in the preseason, the results would be mixed, and you'd want to see more of him. By writing him off, you're showing some degree of non-objectivity.

[jgalecpa]

I personally believe, that if after 12 regular season games (NOT preseason) we are not in the playoff hunt, then it will be time to look elsewhere.

J-Dawg.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

I personally believe, that if after 12 regular season games (NOT preseason) we are not in the playoff hunt, then it will be time to look elsewhere.

J-Dawg.

This is probably about right. After 12 games, you can probably evaluate Campbell's development as a player in it's entirety.

Still, context is important. If at that point, we're not in the playoff hunt, but the evidence suggest that Campbell has improved (i.e. we have the 26th best defense in the league), then you have to act accordingly in the offseason. This isn't the open and shut playoffs or bust case people would like it to be.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This is probably about right. After 12 games, you can probably evaluate Campbell's development as a player in it's entirety.

Still, context is important. If at that point, we're not in the playoff hunt, but the evidence suggest that Campbell has improved (i.e. we have the 26th best defense in the league), then you have to act accordingly in the offseason. This isn't the open and shut playoffs or bust case people would like it to be.

Absolutely. If he significantly improves his QB rating, dials in the long balls a bit better, and continues to protect the ball as he has done the last year and a half, than you are correct.

J-Dawg.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think it's a fair assumption that he was trying to do his best, and yet, any scout with any experience will tell you that little can be concluded from an endless string of Campbell's play this year.

Despite your prior assertion that you're also considering past play, you seem to be a slave to the idea of a "clean slate" in this presason. Campbell has no more to prove than anyone else on the roster, and can only do so much before getting an entire game to play.

Honestly though, even if you judged him by just what you saw in the preseason, the results would be mixed, and you'd want to see more of him. By writing him off, you're showing some degree of non-objectivity.

No one has a clean slate in the nfl, even the rookies. If an undrafted rookie was having his type of performance (if it were against non-starters), it would be assumed that the rookie would be cut. However if it were a 1st round rookie, the chances would be lessened because of the benefit of the doubt given.

There are more expectations for Campbell to perform, even now because of the lack of confidence that the fo has shown. Everyone's past playing history, performance, and expectations all are taken into account just like everyone else is.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

No one has a clean slate in the nfl, even the rookies. If an undrafted rookie was having his type of performance (if it were against non-starters), it would be assumed that the rookie would be cut. However if it were a 1st round rookie, the chances would be lessened because of the benefit of the doubt given.

There are more expectations for Campbell to perform, even now because of the lack of confidence that the fo has shown. Everyone's past playing history, performance, and expectations all are taken into account just like everyone else is.

I agree, but it's this realization that makes the posts about "having to perform" in the preseason a bit ridiculous. Everything we've seen to this point suggests adequacy (the problem is that we're expecting more than just adequacy), so why should 13 passes with varying degrees of execution matter? They shouldn't, over everything we've got.

So it looks really bad when you see an underthrown deep ball in the rain, and a bit of a high throw to Moss mixed in with some nice conversions on third down, and the first thing you think is "this guy is a complete bum". He looked better in a lot of ways against Pittsburghs defense than Charlie Batch did against our defense, which may not be a fair comparision, but it's an easy to normalize the weather conditions that everyone had to play in.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree, but it's this realization that makes the posts about "having to perform" in the preseason a bit ridiculous. Everything we've seen to this point suggests adequacy (the problem is that we're expecting more than just adequacy), so why should 13 passes with varying degrees of execution matter? They shouldn't, over everything we've got.

So it looks really bad when you see an underthrown deep ball in the rain, and a bit of a high throw to Moss mixed in with some nice conversions on third down, and the first thing you think is "this guy is a complete bum". He looked better in a lot of ways against Pittsburghs defense than Charlie Batch did against our defense, which may not be a fair comparision, but it's an easy to normalize the weather conditions that everyone had to play in.

That's the situation that campbell is in - he's under the microscope. He should know that coming into this season and also preseason. It's almost like a rookie that is trying to make the team. Every play, bad or good, is scrutinized.

But he can't control this anymore, except for his play this season. That's the only way to show what he can do. Personally, I don't see anything unfair about having this opportunity. We should all be so lucky.