"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[Jay Schroeder]

wasn't that bad? It was that bad.
What has he shown you in regular season or preseason to make you believe he is not one of the worst starting qbs in the league.
I'm not attempting to be mindless here, or sling insults with any of you, and if I come off a bit harsh of the man then I can acknowledge that.
But I would be interested in some dialouge refuting my statements on his level of talent/performance if you feel so inclined.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

wasn't that bad? It was that bad.
What has he shown you in regular season or preseason to make you believe he is not one of the worst starting qbs in the league.
I'm not attempting to be mindless here, or sling insults with any of you, and if I come off a bit harsh of the man then I can acknowledge that.
But I would be interested in some dialouge refuting my statements on his level of talent/performance if you feel so inclined.

The fact is he's just way better than you think. It's the truth

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

wasn't that bad? It was that bad.
What has he shown you in regular season or preseason to make you believe he is not one of the worst starting qbs in the league.
I'm not attempting to be mindless here, or sling insults with any of you, and if I come off a bit harsh of the man then I can acknowledge that.
But I would be interested in some dialouge refuting my statements on his level of talent/performance if you feel so inclined.

I said i was done and you pulled me back in.

For 3 consecutive years he has increased his TDs while dropping his INTS. Also for 3 years in a row his QB rating has increased, same with his completion %. After 7 turnovers in his first 7 starts and 19 t/os in his next 13 starts, he had 7 T/os in 16 games last year. All of this while having a beat up o-line. . SOme of the knock last year was that he held the ball too long and took to many sacks, That is something that hasn't happened yet.

[Jay Schroeder]

thats good statistical evidence to support a point gibbs.

I hope I am proven wrong, and will drop the topic, conceding he is a middle of the pack qb, nothing less, nothing more.

I've been living in New England since 03 and am tired of hearing it from these pats fans, including my girl and her brother. Heres to success this year and beyond.

Am I the only one who thought the Giants first team looked awful against the Bears last night?
They have injuries at lb and in the secondary, this gives me some hope. I think we have the talent to shut down their run game, and their wide receivers dont scare me.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Jay Schroeder

thats good statistical evidence to support a point gibbs.

I hope I am proven wrong, and will drop the topic, conceding he is a middle of the pack qb, nothing less, nothing more.

I've been living in New England since 03 and am tired of hearing it from these pats fans, including my girl and her brother. Heres to success this year and beyond.

Am I the only one who thought the Giants first team looked awful against the Bears last night?
They have injuries at lb and in the secondary, this gives me some hope. I think we have the talent to shut down their run game, and their wide receivers dont scare me.

I'm not going to get into another pointless anti-JC discussion so I'll bite on your other comment:

Yes, the Bears made the Giants first team look really bad. If the Giants are not healthier on defense by Sept. 13 they could be in big trouble. The numerous injuries on all three levels of defense may make them toothless on defense. And its the defense that makes that team what it is. They still have a few weeks to heal, but if they don't, this year's opener could have a vastly different look than last year's opener.

Speaking of last year's opener, I saw Jacobs run over Urlacher twice. Landry should feel good about that.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm not going to get into another pointless anti-JC discussion so I'll bite on your other comment:

Yes, the Bears made the Giants first team look really bad. If the Giants are not healthier on defense by Sept. 13 they could be in big trouble. The numerous injuries on all three levels of defense may make them toothless on defense. And its the defense that makes that team what it is. They still have a few weeks to heal, but if they don't, this year's opener could have a vastly different look than last year's opener.

Speaking of last year's opener, I saw Jacobs run over Urlacher twice. Landry should feel good about that.

Agreed, that play was so embarrassing in last years season opener...but Jacobs is just a linebacker posing as rb...so I couldnt be too mad a Laron for that. Even though its only preseason Id love to see him put a hurting on Welker.

I honestly think we can hang with the Giants, Ross's injury sounds bad, hopefully JC can throw on his replacement. If our lines can beat theirs we stand a better chance than last year.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I said i was done and you pulled me back in.

For 3 consecutive years he has increased his TDs while dropping his INTS. Also for 3 years in a row his QB rating has increased, same with his completion %. After 7 turnovers in his first 7 starts and 19 t/os in his next 13 starts, he had 7 T/os in 16 games last year. All of this while having a beat up o-line. . SOme of the knock last year was that he held the ball too long and took to many sacks, That is something that hasn't happened yet.

I look at his lack of ints as a knock against him because he does not risk throwing the ball 10 yards down field to pick up the first down and instead dumps it off for another 3 and out. Maybe it just that he has been up against two of the best D's and this week wil be another tough D but for someone to say that are not worried from what they have seen so far is just crazy (not talking about you just in general). Last week if we did not go for the fake punt (which we would not do in a real game sitting on our 35 yard line) JC would have had 3/3 and outs in that game. Maybe by the time we get to the Giants and a real game their D by then will look weak compared to what he has seen in preaseason. Yea, I'm wissing some on that.