"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[hooskins]

gtripp i feel like you are wasting your time and energy trying to convince those who are simply irrational or too emotional.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by hooskins

gtripp i feel like you are wasting your time and energy trying to convince those who are simply irrational or too emotional.

He's wasting his time? gtripp says "The preseason has never, ever been about first string quarterbacks. This is the fatal flaw in your argument."

Then I give him an example of probably the most proven currently active (first string) quarterback that cares about his first preseason game as much as a regular season game, and I'm wasting my time?

I just turned this whole discussion around on gtripp on this one argument because I proved his never, ever statement untrue.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

He's wasting his time? gtripp says "The preseason has never, ever been about first string quarterbacks. This is the fatal flaw in your argument."

Then I give him an example of probably the most proven currently active (first string) quarterback that cares about his first preseason game as much as a regular season game, and I'm wasting my time?

I just turned this whole discussion around on gtripp on this one argument because I proved his never, ever statement untrue.

I feel your (counter-)argument was aimed at trying to prove an exception rather than a rule, but I'm really not even sure if it did that.

I didn't want to completely discredit your point about Brady, but I felt you were 1) comparing apples to oranges, 2) citing a particularly extreme example, and 3) maybe even proving my point in the process.

But it's possible that I just completely missed your point that quarterbacks who throw INTs in the preseason (not including our "struggling" QB who has neither been picked, nor taken a sack) should show some god damn fire when they do get picked. Because that's what's separates winners from losers. Post-interception tirades. Where's Jeff George when you need him?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The preseason has never, ever been about first string quarterbacks. This is the fatal flaw in your argument.

There are no exceptions to your never, ever statement. Thats why your statement is so untrue all the way around.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There are no exceptions to your never, ever statement. Thats why your statement is so untrue all the way around.

1) I'm not convinced that their are. I'm not talking about storylines here, I could care less about those. I'm talking situations when a well entrenched first team quarterback loses his job in the preseason to simply the "next best" guy on the roster. Perhaps Chad Hutchinson in 2005 would have been a better example than Brady, but even he only became the starter because of injury, and then completely played his way out of the job. Matt Leinart last year is a more recent example, but we don't have anything comparable to Kurt Warner.

2) Perhaps I can't prove enough knowledge about the counter-examples to take such a hard-line, absolutist postition. That's fair, I think. But I'm still having a hard time citing examples where a non-quarterback battle becomes a quarterback battle based purely on preseason performance. And until a solid example emerges, then I could technically just hold my position.