I Was impressed!!!

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he WILL command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.

[dblanch66]

Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got.
I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby!

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got.
I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby!

I partially agree - compared with the last half of last season - and the first two games (yeah, they WERE games) this year, he did shine. But he had nowhere else to go BUT up. If I thought he were a consistent QB, I'd have some expectation for success. Realistically though, with JC, it's more or less a crap shoot.

But I disagree he's all we have.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he WILL command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.

You say people are entitled to opinions and then you critisize someone else's opinion.

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

You say people are entitled to opinions and then you critisize someone else's opinion.

It was a response, not criticism.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he WILL command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.

You failed to catch two points:
1) JC is our qb this year and that is not going to change. If you are going to cheer for the Redskins, that means cheering for JC. Tearing JC down serves no purpose because his presence will not change.

2) These forums are for intelligent critiques. Intelligent critiques in the spirit of conversation are more than welcome. Even JC's biggest supporters here have criticized JC at some point or another. So it is not about "mindless obeisance."

But you do not offer intelligent critiques. You say stupid things and then ignore all evidence to the contrary. You refuse to listen to others. Therefore it is you who are inhibiting intelligent conversation here and that is why you heard (but did not listen to) the statements of exasperation. With your inability to listen to evidence which contradicts your shallow opinions, it is you who are engaging in "mindless obeisance" - that is, you pay mindless obeisance to your half-baked opinions. I congratulate you on your unintelligent narcissism.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You failed to miss two points:
1) JC is our qb this year and that is not going to change. If you are going to cheer for the Redskins, that means cheering for JC. Tearing JC down serves no purpose because his presence will not change.

2) These forums are for intelligent critiques. Intelligent critiques in the spirit of conversation are more than welcome. Even JC's biggest supporters here have criticized JC at some point or another. So it is not about "mindless obeisance."

But you do not offer intelligent critiques. You say stupid things and then ignore all evidence to the contrary. You refuse to listen to others. Therefore it is you who are inhibiting intelligent conversation here and that is why you heard (but did not listen to) the statements of exasperation. With your inability to listen to evidence which contradicts your shallow opinions, it is you who are engaging in "mindless obeisance" - that is, you pay mindless obeisance to your half-baked opinions. I congratulate you on your unintelligent narcissism.

Wow. Bada-bing! I think everyone should just follow my example and try to get along.

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You failed to miss two points:
1) JC is our qb this year and that is not going to change. If you are going to cheer for the Redskins, that means cheering for JC. Tearing JC down serves no purpose because his presence will not change.

2) These forums are for intelligent critiques. Intelligent critiques in the spirit of conversation are more than welcome. Even JC's biggest supporters here have criticized JC at some point or another. So it is not about "mindless obeisance."

But you do not offer intelligent critiques. You say stupid things and then ignore all evidence to the contrary. You refuse to listen to others. Therefore it is you who are inhibiting intelligent conversation here and that is why you heard (but did not listen to) the statements of exasperation. With your inability to listen to evidence which contradicts your shallow opinions, it is you who are engaging in "mindless obeisance" - that is, you pay mindless obeisance to your half-baked opinions. I congratulate you on your unintelligent narcissism.

I would gladly accept your congratulations on my unintelligent narcissism if I had any idea what in blue freaking blazes that was.

And by the way, the word I used was obedience, not obeisance. The two terms are not synonymous.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Wait, are you holding up Ryan and Flacco's stats last year as an example of why Campbell isn't any good?

Ryan threw for ~200 more yards, 3 more TD's and 5 more INT's. Flacco threw 300 yards fewer than Jason, one more TD and 6 more INT's.

The QB you can best compare to JC right now is probably a guy like Jake Delhomme. If you compare the first 30 or so games of both players, their stats are remarkably similar, with Jake owning a couple more wins than Jason. The major difference is Delhomme having a higher y/a and Jason having a lower INT%.

Both were on teams that were largely run-first teams with stout defenses and a speedster-mold WR as their main target. And those Panther teams had the benefit of Muhammad as a dynamite possession guy at the WR2 while we've had no legit WR2 for years.

Given that Delhomme turned into a pretty solid if unspectacular QB who was able to lead the Panthers to the playoffs many times and can win when he's got some talent to work with, I don't think this is such a horrible floor for a guy like Campbell. If he turns out to be even more of a player, so much the better.

I believe this makes my previous post fall into the category of "read the entire thread before posting." This is pretty much exactly what I was saying.