Defense = Disappointment

[Chico23231]

The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.

[Trample the Elderly]

Taken from the Skins blog. Positives
solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Taken from the Skins blog. Positives
solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize!

People aren't bashing Doughty nearly as much as they use to are they? He's solid in there. A bright spot.

[RedBar]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.

I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one more stop or one more turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RedBar

I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one more stop or one more turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.

Do you think there is growing animosity between the offense and defense, or has it not gotten to that point?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you think there is growing animosity between the offense and defense, or has it not gotten to that point?

To be honest the Skins have some pretty high character guys in the locker room, I dont think it will get to that point. I think Blache would kick someone's ass if they even hinted at it. That is one thing Snyder has done in the FO is get players who are not problems or have character issues which is a positive unlike the Cowgirls or Bengals.

[GridIron26]

I hope they are going to do this alot through out 4 quarters, not just few selective plays..

Redskins Insider - Expect Corners to Get Closer to Receivers

[dmvskinzfan08]

and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story.

We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside.

I think our LBs played pretty well besides him.

[GTripp0012]

Doughty is remembered for getting beaten deep by 1) Terrell Owens, and 2) Larry Fitzgerald. But that's not his game. What he does do, he's actually been very good at.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Doughty is remembered for getting beaten deep by 1) Terrell Owens, and 2) Larry Fitzgerald. But that's not his game. What he does do, he's actually been very good at.

He had a great pre-season and looked solid yesterday. He's not blessed with the athletic ability of Landry but one thing he has that Landry hasn't, is maturity. I refrained myself from saying smarts.

[redsk1]

I wasn't that disappointed in the defense. They gave up 16 points and forced two TO's. They gave us the ball on the 8 yard line and our offense clammed up just like last year.

Please take into account that Eli Manning has become a very good qb able to elude the pass rush enough to find an open man and sqeeze it in there. I was impressed on a few occasions. He's not elite but he's good enough to make plays, and god am i tired of wondering that about our QB. He also did a good job of getting rid of the ball on our blitz.

I thought AH had a good game even though people on the radio were bashing him...? LF=awesome.

Keep in mind NY's offensive line is maybe the best in football.

[PennSkinsFan]

I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.

Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. He's a pretty good qb.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. He's a pretty good qb.

I had my doubts about Eli, and well they have been completely erased (Giantone will love this). He won with a bunch of inexperienced receivers.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. He's a pretty good qb.

Yeah, I agree that Eli made some plays, which I think made the difference in the game. He was very accurate especially with receivers that were covered well. The defense made a bunch of mistakes, but also made at least a couple of plays. The defensive plays that come to mind are: the defensive stop on 4th and 1 near the goalline and the interception.