Defense = Disappointment

[GTripp0012]

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by saden1

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

I honestly think Greg Blache could lose his job at some point during this season. The defense was pretty bad except for the three things that you mentioned.
Our third down play was horrendous just like last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Defense? Wow, you just washed yourself out. They had two turnovers and stuffed them on a 4th down on the goal line. They bent but didn't break. This loss is all on the offense.

Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

The defense was obviously the big problem. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they bent. And they bent. Then they broke. And they bent again. And again. And then, well, the game ended.

The defense played a good third quarter when they held the Giants completely scoreless, but three bad quarters a good unit does not make.

The defense was obviously the big problem. I mean, c'mon, lets not kid ourselves.

Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? Cause here I was thinking the offense fumbled the ball which was returned for a TD, threw an INT, and allowed 3 sacks. They couldn't even move the ball to give the defense a breather.

Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah. We should just play the games over 4 days from now on. Then, when the Giants have like 14, 15 play drives (NFL average = 6), the defense can rest without actually having to get themselves off the field.

Good idea.

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

So who gave up the most points? The offense or the defense? Who scored the most points? Offense or defense?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

If England won the battle for independence then we'd all be speaking with British accents.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

So your argument is, "the defense sucks, but we should overcome them every time"?

Or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Well, if all we did on offense is run Portis three times and punt, we might not have to worry about those damn turnovers. Unless we fumble.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.

I agree what you saying, but the Manning committed the same two offensive turnovers and the Giants still won. I think what GTripp is trying to say is the defense might be plagued with the same issues it was last year, not being able to score off defensive turnovers. It is still too early to tell. That was the purpose of paying someone like AH 100 mil so the defensive will cause the QB to fumble/throw int and sometimes even score off those turnovers. I think he is blame the scheme more than placing the blame on players.

The real question is why in the last couple of years do the skins have to play perfect football to win games.

JC and some of the defensive players get some of the blame with poor decision making. To me 95% of the blame goes to Zorn and Blache. They both called a horrible game and didn't do much to put the players in a position to win. If they would have called better plays/scheme they could have easily beat the Giants. Zorn set the tone(really lost the game) of the game the minute he wanted A.R. to throw a pass to Moss instead of Campbell or running the ball. A.R gets sacked and they lose 10 yards after Portis gain 30 yds(I think). Imagine if they would have scored a td during that possession. It would have be 7-3 skins and I think game would have had a different momentum and outcome.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's really obvious that the biggest problem for this team today was the defense. Any discussion of why we lost has to start with the defense not being able to get off the field. Two turnovers is good. Andre Carter and LaRon Landry each made a play. So far, we're creating the big plays.

But it's going to be tough to get off the field all year with Smoot and Hall. We had trouble getting off the field at the end of last year, and that was when we had Shawn Springs in the starting lineup.

No one is going to throw at Carlos Rogers this year, so we might need to get in the market for a cover corner.

I thought Rocky Mac played a really good game today. But when we start 3 guys who can't play man coverage on defense, we might have to go zone. It doesn't seem like we have a choice.

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand your thinking. Improvements need to be made across the board. Defense and offense. But to say defense lost this game is ridiculous.

I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.

You have to give the Giants some credit though instead of simply blaming the defense. Their o-line is outstanding and outside of Haynesworth we've got average players on our d-line. We simply can not pressure Manning with 4 guys. But if you would tell me that we'd give up 16 I'd take it.