Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And what was Vinny smoking when they signed him for $22.5 Mil guaranteed money. Very bad investment, add another one to the list.

Let's give him a full year in this defense before we judge the guy. I know he's over hyped in all but it's one game.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let's give him a full year in this defense before we judge the guy. I know he's over hyped in all but it's one game.

He's had 3 teams and 5 years to prove it and he's still doing the same. I can guarantee you will be in for disappointment.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He's had 3 teams and 5 years to prove it and he's still doing the same. I can guarantee you will be in for disappointment.

Hall is what he is, a decent (not elite, not superstar) CB. He's going to do some bad things (missed tackle on Manningham, whiff on the jam on Smith) but he's also going to get his hands on the ball and when he does he actually catches it! To me, that puts him above Rogers. Springs was never healthy nor did he give any indication (he's ALREADY hurt in NE) that he was going to be. Talk about a prima donna? Springs only plays when he is at or near 100%. He never played hurt. That's more damaging to a team than a player who is maybe a slightly lesser talent but still out there every play.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Hall is what he is, a decent (not elite, not superstar) CB. He's going to do some bad things (missed tackle on Manningham, whiff on the jam on Smith) but he's also going to get his hands on the ball and when he does he actually catches it! To me, that puts him above Rogers. Springs was never healthy nor did he give any indication (he's ALREADY hurt in NE) that he was going to be. Talk about a prima donna? Springs only plays when he is at or near 100%. He never played hurt. That's more damaging to a team than a player who is maybe a slightly lesser talent but still out there every play.

You may be in line for a coordinator and/or front office position with the Redskins.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You may be in line for a coordinator and/or front office position with the Redskins.

I don't think there is a huge gap in coverage ability between Rogers and Hall. Where the difference is clear is when the ball is in the air. Rogers hands turn into skillets while Hall can catch. Taking the ball away is more valuable than knocking it down. Corners get beat, what do they do to offset them getting beat is what makes them who they are. Rogers dropped an INT on the first possession yesterday, AGAIN. Give me a corner who can catch over one that cannot all day every day.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't think there is a huge gap in coverage ability between Rogers and Hall. Where the difference is clear is when the ball is in the air. Rogers hands turn into skillets while Hall can catch. Taking the ball away is more valuable than knocking it down. Corners get beat, what do they do to offset them getting beat is what makes them who they are. Rogers dropped an INT on the first possession yesterday, AGAIN. Give me a corner who can catch over one that cannot all day every day.

No sir! Bat that ball down. I'd rather have a shut down guy than a guy who gets beat for TDs, but comes up with an occasional INT.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No sir! Bat that ball down. I'd rather have a shut down guy than a guy who gets beat for TDs, but comes up with an occasional INT.

But Rogers is far from a shutdown corner. He's good, no doubt, but until last season he got toasted pretty consistently for big plays. His swagger always far exceeded his production.

He's got more excuses than interceptions. His latest: Cornerback DeAngelo Hall(notes) confessed to having a subpar outing, and Rogers—who couldn’t get a grip on one that could have changed the game’s tone on the Giants’ first possession.

“I thought I had a shot at it, but I was facing that sun and that glare,” Rogers said. So the sun was in your eyes but you got two hands on it and dropped it. Again. Interesting.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's about 8 different numbers I could cite to suggest otherwise, but since we both have two eyes and understand football well, I'll just point out that over their respective careers, the average pass thrown against Rogers goes for just under two yards less than the average pass thrown at Hall (I think 6.2 for Rogers and 7.9 for Hall). How great is that difference? Probably more than a win/year.

There's obviously a limiting effect on Rogers due to the fact that he doesn't get a whole lot of balls thrown his way, and seems to drop 5 or so of the 8 catchable INTs he gets in position for, but I'm not sure I'd call Hall a playmaker either, at least not one that creates his own plays. I think he's more of the oppertunistic type.

I think we can agree that for most of their respective careers that Hall has been on #1 WR and Rogers has been on #2 WR so you'd think the 1's are more apt to have deeper routes so that would make sense to have a higher YPA against.

I don't how you call a CB with 23 INT in 6 years not a playmaker but make excuses for one with 6 INT in 5 years. Who cares if he's the opportunistic type if he takes advantage of the opportunities. Rogers clearly does not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't think there is a huge gap in coverage ability between Rogers and Hall. Where the difference is clear is when the ball is in the air. Rogers hands turn into skillets while Hall can catch. Taking the ball away is more valuable than knocking it down. Corners get beat, what do they do to offset them getting beat is what makes them who they are. Rogers dropped an INT on the first possession yesterday, AGAIN. Give me a corner who can catch over one that cannot all day every day.

There's about 8 different numbers I could cite to suggest otherwise, but since we both have two eyes and understand football well, I'll just point out that over their respective careers, the average pass thrown against Rogers goes for just under two yards less than the average pass thrown at Hall (I think 6.2 for Rogers and 7.9 for Hall). How great is that difference? Probably more than a win/year.

There's obviously a limiting effect on Rogers due to the fact that he doesn't get a whole lot of balls thrown his way, and seems to drop 5 or so of the 8 catchable INTs he gets in position for, but I'm not sure I'd call Hall a playmaker either, at least not one that creates his own plays. I think he's more of the oppertunistic type.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let's give him a full year in this defense before we judge the guy. I know he's over hyped in all but it's one game.

it is just 1 game, BUT it was 1 game where he was guarding a very young, unestablished, WR corp and he was unable to stop them. That is no what you should get for 54 million. He really was terrible- but he can catch. The fact is that we are so starved for turnovers that we fell in love with a CB that can catch. Lets hope this is an anomaly. go skins

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

it is just 1 game, BUT it was 1 game where he was guarding a very young, unestablished, WR corp and he was unable to stop them. That is no what you should get for 54 million. He really was terrible- but he can catch. The fact is that we are so starved for turnovers that we fell in love with a CB that can catch. Lets hope this is an anomaly. go skins

You have a point, he can catch. He should be coverted into a WR, I'm down for that.