Positives of this Game

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by jdlea

2 big issues with this.

Cooley was solid? Cooley lost 1 fumble and then almost lost another. Ball security seems to be an issue once he's caught the football. He doesn't drop many balls (if any), but it does seem like he has a tendency to put it on the ground while fighting for more yards. He's got to put it away.

How can anyone really say that, based on yesterday, the Skins should give up on Campbell? I concede, throwing the ball about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage was probably the dumbest mistake I've see him make, but that pick was not his all his fault. The ball should have never been thrown, but Moss has to come back to it. Also, it took a hell of a play to even get picked. As for the fumble, that's all on him, he's admitted that and said he's frustrated with himself for that play. Other than that, what was not to like, yesterday? The only time the ball moved (other than 1 running play) was through the air.

There's absolutely no way the running game should not be secondary going forward. Campbell was efficient and they made some big plays with Randle El running after the catch. I'd love to see Kelly and Moss get involved, but when you only throw 26 times, that's not going to happen very often.

I'm encouraged by what I saw out of Campbell, other than those 2 mistakes. As far as the running game goes, I'm only a little concerned because the Giants have the best D Line in football, so I'll wait to say "this line can't run block," but I'd definitely like them to do less of it against St. Louis.

Here is my problem with Campbell. I do understand it was one game, and I am not ready to let him go. BUT Jason looks the same as always. He is not a leader on the team. Jason didn't respond well when the pocket broke down. He fumbled again. He just looks lost when he plays the Giants. He has no confidence when he plays them. How will we ever be the best team in the East when we can't beat them? That starts with the QB. I don't see JC beating the Giants. He is scared of them. Year after year I defend the kid and hope for different results, but at this point when do we stop making excuses and looking for little things to say he played well. The kid threw a pick when he was about 3 yards across the line of scrimmage. Not smart football. He makes boneheaded plays year in and year out. I'm not ready to give up, but i won't continue to come to his defense until he prove he can win in this league. 16-21 as a starter. Not a winner, yet?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Here is my problem with Campbell. I do understand it was one game, and I am not ready to let him go. BUT Jason looks the same as always. He is not a leader on the team. Jason didn't respond well when the pocket broke down. He fumbled again. He just looks lost when he plays the Giants. He has no confidence when he plays them. How will we ever be the best team in the East when we can't beat them? That starts with the QB. I don't see JC beating the Giants. He is scared of them. Year after year I defend the kid and hope for different results, but at this point when do we stop making excuses and looking for little things to say he played well. The kid threw a pick when he was about 3 yards across the line of scrimmage. Not smart football. He makes boneheaded plays year in and year out. I'm not ready to give up, but i won't continue to come to his defense until he prove he can win in this league. 16-21 as a starter. Not a winner, yet?

Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.

[kdogg3270]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.

those are stats. i do get the point he is trying to make. Campbell should take charge out there.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by kdogg3270

those are stats. i do get the point he is trying to make. Campbell should take charge out there.

Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?

It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.

The thing about Jason is, he doesn't need to do anything to become a franchise quarterback. He does a lot of things well and a few things not so well. The thing is, for this organization, having a franchise quarterback is simply empty rhetoric designed at dodging any actual problems with the franchise.

You can tell when an organization is serious about building through it's quarterback and when an organization is simply going through the motions. Guess which category we fall into?

The Washington Redskins will not have a franchise quarterback this year. They will not have one next year, or the year after, or the year after that. Had we traded for Jay Cutler, still no shot at a franchise quarterback. It's a byproduct of an organizational philosophy to "prove it" without any responsibility on it's own part to improve it's methodology.

The Redskins can win without a franchise quarterback, I think, but won't be able to sustain whatever they work towards anyway.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.

I think Jason is more concerned to not throw a pick which hinders him from attacking the defense. Great QB's ( Farve) are not afraid to take chances with the ball and just let it rip. I guess its easy said when the FO doesnt have confidence in you in the 1st place. Brett Farve has thrown more picks than anyothet QB in history. To be great you can't be afraid to fail. Jason trust in your arm and don't be afraid to make a mistake its going to happen if you play QB in the NFL. Just ask Jay Cutler and Jake Delhomme.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

I think Jason is more concerned to not throw a pick which hinders him from attacking the defense. Great QB's ( Farve) are not afraid to take chances with the ball and just let it rip. I guess its easy said when the FO doesnt have confidence in you in the 1st place. Brett Farve has thrown more picks than anyothet QB in history. To be great you can't be afraid to fail. Jason trust in your arm and don't be afraid to make a mistake its going to happen if you play QB in the NFL. Just ask Jay Cutler and Jake Delhomme.

Delhomme is probably a bad example. The guy has 11 turnovers in his last 2 games. He's going to be riding the pine sooner rather than later if that keeps up.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?

Gtrip.. No those aren't little things, but at the same time QBs in this league are judged on one thing. Winning. JC hasn't done that yet. And the team we must absolutly beat is the Giants. JC(as a starting QB) has not beaten the Giants once in the last 4 years. Todd Collins beat the Giants in 07 at the Meadow Lands. Jason hasn't showed me anything in the games we have played against NY to disprove that fact. How can we win the East, get to the playoffs, and win the SuperBowl without beating the Giants at least once? That is the goal here right? Win the NFC East and Win the Superbowl? Is there faith that JC can do that? That's why I am a fan of the Redskins. That is what we used to do alot. Now if we get to the playoffs it's as a Wild Card. I want to win again. Be feared. Not be afraid of NY because we can't beat them. He has time to win me back over. I'm just done defending him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Gtrip.. No those aren't little things, but at the same time QBs in this league are judged on one thing. Winning. JC hasn't done that yet. And the team we must absolutly beat is the Giants. JC(as a starting QB) has not beaten the Giants once in the last 4 years. Todd Collins beat the Giants in 07 at the Meadow Lands. Jason hasn't showed me anything in the games we have played against NY to disprove that fact. How can we win the East, get to the playoffs, and win the SuperBowl without beating the Giants at least once? That is the goal here right? Win the NFC East and Win the Superbowl? Is there faith that JC can do that? That's why I am a fan of the Redskins. That is what we used to do alot. Now if we get to the playoffs it's as a Wild Card. I want to win again. Be feared. Not be afraid of NY because we can't beat them. He has time to win me back over. I'm just done defending him.

Well, like I've pointed out, there were blemishes on Campbell's day, but nothing that happened while he had the ball would have necessarily prevented the team from winning. When Campbell didn't have the ball in his hands on Sunday, we were much, much worse off.

Quarterbacks aren't judged by winning any more than middle linebackers are. With that said, nothing will get the public's attention faster than a lot of Ws and few Ls.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, like I've pointed out, there were blemishes on Campbell's day, but nothing that happened while he had the ball would have necessarily prevented the team from winning. When Campbell didn't have the ball in his hands on Sunday, we were much, much worse off.
Quarterbacks aren't judged by winning any more than middle linebackers are. With that said, nothing will get the public's attention faster than a lot of Ws and few Ls.

I agree, when the ball fell out of his hands and Osi was running down the sidelines for a TD it couldnt have been any worse.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.

Without the W they mean nothing.