Defense = Disappointment

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO

[SFREDSKIN]

You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.

I would like to see Jarmon in the game a little bit more on passing downs. Him and Wilson are probably our best passrushers on that side of the line.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I would like to see Jarmon in the game a little bit more on passing downs. Him and Wilson are probably our best passrushers on that side of the line.

Agreed. I just don't get how we use our personnel AT ALL!!

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

His job isn't necessarily tackles. His job is to take up 2 or three linemen when he is in. The better judgement will be if our DE's and LBs are getting in to make plays quicker, and are we getting more tackles for loss as a team. If we are judging value by his stat line alone, I doubt he would ever be worth it.

Another way to say it, Brandon Jacobs ran effectively against us both games last season(we all remember his off tackle run where he bowled over LL). This game he didn't and so they had to switch to an outside runner whose goal, I think they admitted this, was to tire AH out. If opposing teams are changing their game to focus on AH then he is worth it, because as much as I like our DT's from last year, let's be honest, no team gameplanned around the interior of our line.

Finally, we are talking about the Giants Oline, which has been a very effective line for 2 1/2 years now. Let's see how well some other teams handle it before we write off the AH effect.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

His job isn't necessarily tackles. His job is to take up 2 or three linemen when he is in. The better judgement will be if our DE's and LBs are getting in to make plays quicker, and are we getting more tackles for loss as a team. If we are judging value by his stat line alone, I doubt he would ever be worth it.

Another way to say it, Brandon Jacobs ran effectively against us both games last season(we all remember his off tackle run where he bowled over LL). This game he didn't and so they had to switch to an outside runner whose goal, I think they admitted this, was to tire AH out. If opposing teams are changing their game to focus on AH then he is worth it, because as much as I like our DT's from last year, let's be honest, no team gameplanned around the interior of our line.

Finally, we are talking about the Giants Oline, which has been a very effective line for 2 1/2 years now. Let's see how well some other teams handle it before we write off the AH effect.

Good post, excellent arguement.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

I don't understand what you are trying to do here, other than stretch an overused criticism of our team. Last year Brandon Jacobs ran all over us, he was a non-factor this year. We did get pressure on Eli, he threw a pick and coughed up the ball.

The key is that the rest of the defense played poorly (secondary), the team made stupid mistakes (personal fouls), the play calling was terrible, and our offense fizzled again.

If AH is not there, the Giants would have blown us out on the ground and in the air.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

Haynesworth's value isn't going to be measured by tackles, he typically only gets 3-4 a game anyway. Teams simply don't run his way.

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

Warren Sapp never averaged more than 3 tackles a game, per season, in his career. In fact, he often only averaged 2 tackles a game. Was he an overpaid bust too?

You don't measure dominate DT's by their tackle totals... that's just ridiculous.




Warren Sapp