F...Kanye West

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him a racist. Last year he bitched about Britney's VMA performance. And that had nothing to do with her being white. Although he said he can't headline "because he's a black man".

Definitely the type of guy brought up to use race when he can't find any other way to defend his views.

Racist... A bit of a stretch.

He just doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. Nobody would've said anything if he took to his blog after the show or said that in a post-show interview. But of course he made himself look like an angry, belligerent black man because he interrupted a white woman in the middle of her shining moment. (A well deserved one at that)

And by the way, I absolutely think it was disgusting how he did that to her. Thank God Beyonce had enough class to give Taylor a chance to take her hard earned moment.

Kanye is a pure attention hound. No such thing as bad publicity in his mind, because unfortunately, I assume, a good amount of the black population will back him up no matter what. I'll always like the guy for his music, but the respect I have for him as a person is just about gone.

Not sure if it's a stretch D-Rave. Put the shoe on the other foot. If a white musician said Obama doesn't like white people, and then pulled last night's stunt with Rhianna, I wonder how many African Americans would be screaming racism? My guess is hundreds of thousands or more. Chances are Jackson and Sharpton would already be on the case.

For the most part I like his music (and I think his dumb ass antics seriously diminish how talented he really is), but he and Common both have lyrics saying how they don't approve of black women dating white men and vice versa. Can't remember the exact song/verse, but it's something along the lines of making them sick.

I hate to bring race into anything, but I can't help it on this one. Ask yourself this, do you really in your heart believe if it was Rhianna up there getting that award that Kanye would have pulled that stunt? I really really doubt it.

I only use Rhianna b/c she is a young African American music star with fame/popularity similar to that of a Taylor Swift.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure if it's a stretch D-Rave. Put the shoe on the other foot. If a white musician said Obama doesn't like white people, and then pulled last night's stunt with Rhianna, I wonder how many African Americans would be screaming racism? My guess is hundreds of thousands or more. Chances are Jackson and Sharpton would already be on the case.

For the most part I like his music (and I think his dumb ass antics seriously diminish how talented he really is), but he and Common both have lyrics saying how they don't approve of black women dating white men and vice versa. Can't remember the exact song/verse, but it's something along the lines of making them sick.

I hate to bring race into anything, but I can't help it on this one. Ask yourself this, do you really in your heart believe if it was Rhianna up there getting that award that Kanye would have pulled that stunt? I really really doubt it.

I only use Rhianna b/c she is a young African American music star with fame/popularity similar to that of a Taylor Swift.

I dunno. I'm only 22, I've grown up around white people my entire life so it's hard for me to see things from a race point. (I'm one of those people that get hounded by inner city black people for "talking white") Like I have an old school black family and I start getting really weird uncomfortable feelings when I hear them say, "People don't like Obama because he's black" because I know that's not true in most cases. And at the same time those feelings tend to rub off on me and I don't wanna end up being small minded like that. So it's a really hard thing for me personally to juggle.

But I think you could have a valid point. You could be totally right and I've just got my shades on and I don't see it.

Personally I wish Kanye would just keep his mouth shut and put out records. You don't see Jay-Z doing that shit, and he's sleeping with Beyonce. So.. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

You don't see Jay-Z doing that shit, and he's sleeping with Beyonce. So.. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from.

Well Jay-Z isn't some dope and his lady is first class in my book. And our President gets major points from me for calling KW a "jackass". Not only was it the perfect name it is also cool that our president just said what he thought without it being politically parsed into the perfect say nothing comment that every other politician would say. Kudos to smart people.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I dunno. I'm only 22, I've grown up around white people my entire life so it's hard for me to see things from a race point. (I'm one of those people that get hounded by inner city black people for "talking white") Like I have an old school black family and I start getting really weird uncomfortable feelings when I hear them say, "People don't like Obama because he's black" because I know that's not true in most cases. And at the same time those feelings tend to rub off on me and I don't wanna end up being small minded like that. So it's a really hard thing for me personally to juggle.

But I think you could have a valid point. You could be totally right and I've just got my shades on and I don't see it.

Personally I wish Kanye would just keep his mouth shut and put out records. You don't see Jay-Z doing that shit, and he's sleeping with Beyonce. So.. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from.

classy post

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

classy post

As is to be expected from a classy lady and fellow Redskin fan.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

As is to be expected from a classy lady and fellow Redskin fan.

Damn Straight! By the way D Rave I get that too when I tell people I like Rock music and hate rap. I hate that shit.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I dunno. I'm only 22, I've grown up around white people my entire life so it's hard for me to see things from a race point. (I'm one of those people that get hounded by inner city black people for "talking white") Like I have an old school black family and I start getting really weird uncomfortable feelings when I hear them say, "People don't like Obama because he's black" because I know that's not true in most cases. And at the same time those feelings tend to rub off on me and I don't wanna end up being small minded like that. So it's a really hard thing for me personally to juggle.

But I think you could have a valid point. You could be totally right and I've just got my shades on and I don't see it.

Personally I wish Kanye would just keep his mouth shut and put out records. You don't see Jay-Z doing that shit, and he's sleeping with Beyonce. So.. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from.

Interesting you should say that. I have along time friend from HS who grew up....predominately with white kids (as it was a mostly white area in MD) as well. He has often told me similar situations. He has found accetance problems from both colors......from time to time

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Interesting you should say that. I have along time friend from HS who grew up....predominately with white kids (as it was a mostly white area in MD) as well. He has often told me similar situations. He has found accetance problems from both colors......from time to time

It got a lot easier in college. The school I go to is private.. No more than like 3,000 students, close knit and such so I don't hear anything there.

Usually it's out in the working world (not at my current job, but at past ones) where people gave me the most flack.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure if it's a stretch D-Rave. Put the shoe on the other foot. If a white musician said Obama doesn't like white people, and then pulled last night's stunt with Rhianna, I wonder how many African Americans would be screaming racism? My guess is hundreds of thousands or more. Chances are Jackson and Sharpton would already be on the case.

For the most part I like his music (and I think his dumb ass antics seriously diminish how talented he really is), but he and Common both have lyrics saying how they don't approve of black women dating white men and vice versa. Can't remember the exact song/verse, but it's something along the lines of making them sick.

I hate to bring race into anything, but I can't help it on this one. Ask yourself this, do you really in your heart believe if it was Rhianna up there getting that award that Kanye would have pulled that stunt? I really really doubt it.

I only use Rhianna b/c she is a young African American music star with fame/popularity similar to that of a Taylor Swift.

Not to nitpick, but Rihanna's not African American.

I think it's fair to assume race was a factor in this - at least as much as the fact that Beyonce is his friend, and records in a genre he presumably respects more than Nashville pop or whatever you would call Ms. Swift - but full-blown racist might be too strong to a term for a guy who has multiple songs featuring white artists.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Not to nitpick, but Rihanna's not African American.

I think it's fair to assume race was a factor in this - at least as much as the fact that Beyonce is his friend, and records in a genre he presumably respects more than Nashville pop or whatever you would call Ms. Swift - but full-blown racist might be too strong to a term for a guy who has multiple songs featuring white artists.

When does factoring in race become racist and is it a different standard for whites v. blacks? If so, isn't that racist?

BTW - Finally saw the video. West is an ass. Beyonce has class.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure if it's a stretch D-Rave. Put the shoe on the other foot. If a white musician said Obama doesn't like white people, and then pulled last night's stunt with Rhianna, I wonder how many African Americans would be screaming racism? My guess is hundreds of thousands or more. Chances are Jackson and Sharpton would already be on the case.

For the most part I like his music (and I think his dumb ass antics seriously diminish how talented he really is), but he and Common both have lyrics saying how they don't approve of black women dating white men and vice versa. Can't remember the exact song/verse, but it's something along the lines of making them sick.

I hate to bring race into anything, but I can't help it on this one. Ask yourself this, do you really in your heart believe if it was Rhianna up there getting that award that Kanye would have pulled that stunt? I really really doubt it.

I only use Rhianna b/c she is a young African American music star with fame/popularity similar to that of a Taylor Swift.

You know I can't help it but I'm gonna go with Rep. Joe Wilson is racist. Don't know if he would have done that to a white president. He was one of only 7 republicans who championed the confederate flag in SC so it must be true.

Stop being silly, Kanye West is a dick and has always been a dick. He has issues it's that plain and simple.

Rhianna and Beyonce (married to Jay-Z) are under the Rockafella label so no he wouldn't gone after them.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

You know I can't help it but I'm gonna go with Rep. Joe Wilson is racist. Don't know if he would have done that to a white president. He was one of only 7 republicans who championed the confederate flag in SC so it must be true.

Your thoughts on this...

Carter: Rep. Wilson comments 'based on racism' - Yahoo! News

[budw38]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Your thoughts on this...

Carter: Rep. Wilson comments 'based on racism' - Yahoo! News

J. Carter is borderline crazy . Maybe he does not understand that the " people " who he is claiming are " racist - white " , are the same people who voted for President Obama . As far as Pep. Wilson , I would guess his outburst came from passion on the subject matter < HC Reform > , doubt he sat there and thought , oh the President isn't white , i will yell liar ? Now , Wilson should not have yelled , or used liar on the floor , IMO . I would like to know what Carter thinks of the Dems. Booing Pres. Bush on the senate floor in 2005 ? Carter has praised , Chaves , Castro and Arafaht at various times .

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

You know I can't help it but I'm gonna go with Rep. Joe Wilson is racist. Don't know if he would have done that to a white president. He was one of only 7 republicans who championed the confederate flag in SC so it must be true.

Stop being silly, Kanye West is a dick and has always been a dick. He has issues it's that plain and simple.

Rhianna and Beyonce (married to Jay-Z) are under the Rockafella label so no he wouldn't gone after them.

Try reading what I wrote. I said I only used Rhianna because she's a person of color of the same age/status as Swift. I don't care who is under what label. My point was I don't think Kanye wouldn't have acted that way if an African American musician was up there.

Why on earth are you trying to insert current politics into this discussion? I threw out a hypothetical and you find a way to infer a small group of republicans are racist? Okay.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Try reading what I wrote. I said I only used Rhianna because she's a person of color of the same age/status as Swift. I don't care who is under what label. My point was I don't think Kanye wouldn't have acted that way if an African American musician was up there.

Why on earth are you trying to insert current politics into this discussion? I threw out a hypothetical and you find a way to infer a small group of republicans are racist? Okay.

How is what I said not aligned with what you said? Are you really not capable of reading between the lines?

If you actually knew anything of Kanye you would be privy to the fact that he is a first-class-all-around-dick regardless of color. He has been in the past and today is no different. You would be bettere served saying "I bet he wouldn't crash the stage with Toby Kieth receiving an award because Toby Kieth will acutally knock his ass out."

Kanye's conduct isn't racist, it's jackassery at its finest just like Wilsons. Capiche?